Hi All, Windham, I agree with everything you said. Most importantly what stood out to me is the lack of documentation that covers why or how someone would use Heron. I agree with Dave, we should try to organize and set some goals for us to complete within the next few weeks and months.
I don't want to see Heron go. It's the first big open source project I've worked on and I'd hate to get all teary eyed over a bunch of code that retired at the Apache Foundation. How would everyone feel if we used this github project https://github.com/apache/incubator-heron/projects/4 to track some tasks? This way we could give some visibility to people trying to learn what's going on with the community? What is left outstanding with our 0.23.0-incubating release? Let's add those tasks to the github project above. On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 9:59 PM Ning Wang <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks! That's a lot of helpful information! > > Agreed that documentation and examples can be better to lower the barrier > and be more friendly to new users. > > On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 7:42 PM Windham Wong <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > I am new to Apache foundation thing and I want to point out a thing that, > > when start trying Heron, i got a very big barrier that the documentation > is > > not good enough to do quick start and good understanding the structure of > > Heron. I saw a few people asking about how to launch the demo topology > with > > facing some technical issues related to python version and > configurations. > > > > For my point of view, we are using Heron as production for log parsing > > system, and we see great opportunity of increasing the usage of Heron > with > > our growth of business. However, recalling my experience when started > > looking into Heron, the learning curve isn't too high but still much > higher > > than other software or systems. I believe the documentation requires more > > improvement to let new users to understand more quickly. Furthermore, > for a > > business aspect, I believe Heron requires more use case promotion to > > people. Many don't know what to do with a piece of software and they > forget > > about it after some time. Cross-language support (Java/Python/Lua/C++) is > > great for people in different field to start using it, but they can't > find > > a blog/article/tutorial/youtube to realise what they can do with it. I am > > thinking if we can ask companies to share their experience of using > Heron, > > and also some personal to share what they can do or their idea would help > > the community growth. > > Sorry for the long words. > > Windham Wong > > OSWE, OSCP, GCIA, Specialist in Cybersecurity > > Co-Founder, Managing Partner of > > Stormeye.io, Hong Kong Managed Security Operation Center Limited > > Email // [email protected] ( > > > https://link.getmailspring.com/link/[email protected]/1?redirect=mailto%3Awindham.wong%40stormeye.io&recipient=ZGV2QGhlcm9uLmluY3ViYXRvci5hcGFjaGUub3Jn > > ) > > Phone // +852_3590_2212_|_+852_9832_0707 (tel:+85235902212) > > Fax // +852_3590_2202 (tel:+852_3590_2202) > > > > On 10月 16 2020, at 4:44 凌晨, Ning Wang <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Thanks Dave! > > > > > > IMO our goal is to have an official release, which has been > challenging. > > At > > > the same time, some kubernetes and python works are going on at least. > I > > > remember the issue we found in the latest release candidate was Python > 3 > > > related. > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 12:51 PM Dave Fisher <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > It would be helpful to have more discussion about what is happening > on > > > > this mailing list. > > > > > > > > I’m your last active Mentor and I joined only when it seemed like the > > > > start of incubation was blocked. > > > > > > > > Please show the activity with some visible direction. > > > > > > > > > On Oct 15, 2020, at 11:59 AM, Sree Vaddi <[email protected] > > .INVALID> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Heron will continue to live long. > > > > > It has it's own place in the stream processing world among other > > > > competing technologies.The ever increasing data has stretched > > competitions > > > > to the limits of breaking. > > > > > > > > > > In addition: > > > > > In production at the creating company and others around the > > world.Best > > > > open source alternative to Google Dataflow, from the recent talks. > > > > > Higher freedom to customizations, makes it attractive for > innovation. > > > > > 27 continuous monthly meetups. > > > > > Slack is active.Mailing lists are active. > > > > > 455 meetup members and counting.40 linkedin group members and > > counting. > > > > > > > > > > All of these, just by a few bunch of us. > > > > > > > > > > It is too early for 'retirement' talk, IMHO. > > > > > Let's focus on, making it to TLP. > > > > > Taking one task or part of it at a time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you./Sree > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, October 15, 2020, 11:00:10 AM PDT, H W < > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The community size and activity look steady rather than dwindling. > > The > > > > > heronstreaming slack is still active. The > > > > conversations/meetups/discussions > > > > > keep going well. > > > > > As for 'retirement' I think that would be premature > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 10:29 AM Ning Wang <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> Hmm. > > > > >> > > > > >> Community isn't very active, but there are still works going on > > (python, > > > > >> k8s/helm, etc) and a few users relying on the project. IMO it is > too > > > > early > > > > >> to retire. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 5:57 PM Josh Fischer <[email protected] > > > > > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >>> Hi All, > > > > >>> > > > > >>> It seems the community is dwindling for Heron. I think it is time > > to > > > > >> start > > > > >>> a discussion on retiring the podling. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Thoughts? > > > > >>> > > > > >>> - Josh > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
