Hi All,
Windham, I agree with everything you said. Most importantly what stood out
to me is the lack of documentation that covers why or how someone would use
Heron. I agree with Dave, we should try to organize and set some goals for
us to complete within the next few weeks and months.
I don't want to see Heron go. It's the first big open source project I've
worked on and I'd hate to get all teary eyed over a bunch of code that
retired at the Apache Foundation.
How would everyone feel if we used this github project
https://github.com/apache/incubator-heron/projects/4 to track some tasks?
This way we could give some visibility to people trying to learn what's
going on with the community?
What is left outstanding with our 0.23.0-incubating release? Let's add
those tasks to the github project above.
On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 9:59 PM Ning Wang <[email protected]> wrote:
> Thanks! That's a lot of helpful information!
>
> Agreed that documentation and examples can be better to lower the barrier
> and be more friendly to new users.
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 7:42 PM Windham Wong <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > I am new to Apache foundation thing and I want to point out a thing
that,
> > when start trying Heron, i got a very big barrier that the
documentation
> is
> > not good enough to do quick start and good understanding the structure
of
> > Heron. I saw a few people asking about how to launch the demo topology
> with
> > facing some technical issues related to python version and
> configurations.
> >
> > For my point of view, we are using Heron as production for log parsing
> > system, and we see great opportunity of increasing the usage of Heron
> with
> > our growth of business. However, recalling my experience when started
> > looking into Heron, the learning curve isn't too high but still much
> higher
> > than other software or systems. I believe the documentation requires
more
> > improvement to let new users to understand more quickly. Furthermore,
> for a
> > business aspect, I believe Heron requires more use case promotion to
> > people. Many don't know what to do with a piece of software and they
> forget
> > about it after some time. Cross-language support (Java/Python/Lua/C++)
is
> > great for people in different field to start using it, but they can't
> find
> > a blog/article/tutorial/youtube to realise what they can do with it. I
am
> > thinking if we can ask companies to share their experience of using
> Heron,
> > and also some personal to share what they can do or their idea would
help
> > the community growth.
> > Sorry for the long words.
> > Windham Wong
> > OSWE, OSCP, GCIA, Specialist in Cybersecurity
> > Co-Founder, Managing Partner of
> > Stormeye.io, Hong Kong Managed Security Operation Center Limited
> > Email // [email protected] (
> >
>
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> >
> > On 10月 16 2020, at 4:44 凌晨, Ning Wang <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > Thanks Dave!
> > >
> > > IMO our goal is to have an official release, which has been
> challenging.
> > At
> > > the same time, some kubernetes and python works are going on at
least.
> I
> > > remember the issue we found in the latest release candidate was
Python
> 3
> > > related.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 12:51 PM Dave Fisher <[email protected]>
wrote:
> > > > It would be helpful to have more discussion about what is happening
> on
> > > > this mailing list.
> > > >
> > > > I’m your last active Mentor and I joined only when it seemed like
the
> > > > start of incubation was blocked.
> > > >
> > > > Please show the activity with some visible direction.
> > > >
> > > > > On Oct 15, 2020, at 11:59 AM, Sree Vaddi <
[email protected]
> > .INVALID>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Heron will continue to live long.
> > > > > It has it's own place in the stream processing world among other
> > > > competing technologies.The ever increasing data has stretched
> > competitions
> > > > to the limits of breaking.
> > > > >
> > > > > In addition:
> > > > > In production at the creating company and others around the
> > world.Best
> > > > open source alternative to Google Dataflow, from the recent talks.
> > > > > Higher freedom to customizations, makes it attractive for
> innovation.
> > > > > 27 continuous monthly meetups.
> > > > > Slack is active.Mailing lists are active.
> > > > > 455 meetup members and counting.40 linkedin group members and
> > counting.
> > > > >
> > > > > All of these, just by a few bunch of us.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is too early for 'retirement' talk, IMHO.
> > > > > Let's focus on, making it to TLP.
> > > > > Taking one task or part of it at a time.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you./Sree
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thursday, October 15, 2020, 11:00:10 AM PDT, H W <
> > > > [email protected]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > The community size and activity look steady rather than
dwindling.
> > The
> > > > > heronstreaming slack is still active. The
> > > > conversations/meetups/discussions
> > > > > keep going well.
> > > > > As for 'retirement' I think that would be premature
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 10:29 AM Ning Wang <[email protected]
>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Hmm.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Community isn't very active, but there are still works going on
> > (python,
> > > > >> k8s/helm, etc) and a few users relying on the project. IMO it is
> too
> > > > early
> > > > >> to retire.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 5:57 PM Josh Fischer <
[email protected]
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> Hi All,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> It seems the community is dwindling for Heron. I think it is
time
> > to
> > > > >> start
> > > > >>> a discussion on retiring the podling.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Thoughts?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> - Josh
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
