The chat has always been the central place for Hop interaction. It is
worth to evaluate whether that is a good situation.
Chats are a great way to quickly interact but, as Julian pointed out, it
is fundamentally against the Apache philosophy of asynchronous
communication and proper archiving of discussions.
=> Would it be feasible to move the dev-related discussions to the
mailing list? We can still have user-interaction and trivial discussions
in the chat.
-Max
On 07.01.21 09:30, Francois Papon wrote:
Hi,
It's important to follow the discussion in the mailing list, it can be
started on the chat but we have to finally make decision on the mailing
list.
Another important part of an Apache project is the trademark, we have to
mention it to all the material.
regards,
François
[email protected]
Le 06/01/2021 à 22:54, Matt Casters a écrit :
I don't disagree with Julian but for that specific example I indeed
mentioned this first on dev when I stated how I felt about how important
these integration tests are ... to me.
I'm not sure it warrants a specific discussion since the devs seem to be on
the same wavelength on the subject.
Where I do disagree is that chat is excellent for discussions and throwing
ideas against the wall to see if they stick.
The way we typically seem to do it is to just ping an idea back and forth
and throw it in JIRA in some form.
These cases indeed are always visible and remembered more easily than on
chats or mailing lists.
On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 10:24 PM Julian Hyde <[email protected]> wrote:
I am a bit concerned about Hop's use of Chat. To be clear, Apache
projects use chat rooms (e.g. Slack, IRC) and they are a good way to
get questions answered quickly and to build a sense of community.
First, I am concerned about the lack of a public archive. People who
want to read the chat have to first sign up. (Hopefully, I am
mistaken. If so, please post a link to the archive on the site.)
Second, let's fix the branding on Chat. Currently it is under the
project-hop.org domain, and the project is called 'hop'. No 'apache'
in sight.
Third, at Apache we have a rule 'if it doesn't happen on dev it didn't
happen', i.e. don't make decisions off the mailing list. The
conversation on chat is generally pretty benign, but I saw one
exception: this one from Matt Casters:
I would like to set a goal of having a substantial set of integration
tests
for 1.0. The bare minimum seems to be all the popular most often used
transforms and actions. I know that this far exceeds what P5o and
Kettle had but stability is really important.
That discussion should have been on the dev list.
Last, according to the latest incubator report [1], a lot more people
are signed up for chat than for the dev list (122 vs 22). I am
concerned that, with such a disparity in membership, Chat will become
the de facto place that people discuss important matters. I think the
solution is to increase the number of people on the dev list, and to
continue to drive significant discussions onto off of Chat and onto
dev@.
Julian
[1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/January2021
