What I've done, for the 1.3 case, is make honoring the
physical port number (ala 2.1) a compile-time flag...
This should hold us off until we figure out a better
way to do this, so it may get backed out when
that happens. In the meantime, 1.3.32-dev will
operate as does 2.0, which is, I think, the
implementation of least astonishment.

On May 12, 2004, at 1:59 PM, Brad Nicholes wrote:

It works correctly for the NetWare SSL case that I was running into.
But I don't think it works correctly for the case that you are
describing.  The patches that I added to 2.0 and 1.3 are NetWare
specific.  The 2.0 patch is in mod_nw_ssl.c which implements the
default_port hook and the 1.3 patch was added to netware/os.c by
redefining ap_default_port() to ap_os_default_port().  These patches
resolve the issue of where does the port come from.  Neither of them
address the issue of when or how the port value should be used.  So I
believe that the example you gave of:

correctly handle some problems you were seeing. However,
the 2.0 case is also required when Apache (on port 8000, eg)
is behind a load-balancer (on port 80) and the LB splices
the request to Apache. In this case, if Apache needs to
create a self-ref with UCN Off, then it returns the
hostname from Host (as it should) but assuming no port
information it returns port 8000:

      LB: www.foo.com:80
      Apache: foo1.foo.com:8000

Apache should send www.foo.com:80, but instead
it'll send www.foo.com:8000 unless the client
appends ':80' to the Host header :/


would still be broken.  In fact searching back through the mailing list
archieve for [EMAIL PROTECTED], Matthieu Estrade's issue with
ap_get_server_port() sounded similar to the example that you gave, but
it is what prompted the 2.1 patch and the backport proposal.
(http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=apache-httpd-dev&m=103798747720589&w=2
)

Brad

Brad Nicholes
Senior Software Engineer
Novell, Inc., the leading provider of Net business solutions
http://www.novell.com

[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wednesday, May 12, 2004 11:32:30 AM >>>
Do you mean that 2.0 now works correctly? In that case
maybe the short-term is to use the 2.0 method for both
1.3 and 2.1, until we can figure out a better
method... I think the 2.0 method is likely "more
correct" than the 1.3/2.1 one, at least as a default
implementation.

On May 12, 2004, at 1:13 PM, Brad Nicholes wrote:

    Now I understand better, thanks.  The issue that prompted me to
implement the fixes for 2.1 and 1.3 manifested themselves primarily
on
NetWare due to the way NetWare implements the SSL functionality
(NetWare
doesn't use mod_ssl).  In some cases requrests on an SSL port were
being
redirected to port 80 rather than the port that they came from.
This
problem has been solved in 2.x for NetWare by implementing the
default_port hook in mod_nw_ssl and doing something similar in 1.3.
    It sounds like there are really two issues that need to be
addressed at least for the 2.0 branch although they could be tied
together.  One issue, as you have described, is how or when to use a
port value which UseCanonicalPort would solve.  The other issue,
which
has already been address in 1.3 and 2.1, is where to get the port
value
from.  Allowing Apache to look at the physical port would need to be
added to 2.0 as it does in 1.3 and 2.1.

Brad

Brad Nicholes
Senior Software Engineer
Novell, Inc., the leading provider of Net business solutions
http://www.novell.com

[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wednesday, May 12, 2004 7:28:24 AM >>>

On May 11, 2004, at 6:18 PM, Brad Nicholes wrote:


+1 to Bill's comment. I don't quite understand what is confusing
and
why we would need UseCanonicalPort. IMO, all that really needs to
be
done is to fix UseCanonicalName so that it works according to the
documentation.  As was explained previously, when UseCanonicalName
is
OFF, both 1.3 and 2.1 try to pull the port information from the
client
in any way that it can before defaulting to values supplied in the
.conf
file or the hard-coded standard port values.  The problem with the
2.0
tree is that it only looks for the port value as part of the URL
before
defaulting to the known values. Before using known values, it
should
look for the port in the connection information (ie.
r->connection->local_addr->port).  The current result can produce
incorrect port information when a port value is not supplied as
part
of
the URL. According to the documentation, if UseCanonicalName is
OFF
it
should construct the self-referential information from the client.
By
skipping the port information held in the connection record, it
isn't
doing what it claims to be doing.


The rub is that with UCN Off, we either choose the port number sent within the Host header or we choose the actual physical port number; we *never* choose the configured or default port. The docs say:

   With UseCanonicalName off Apache will form  self-referential
   URLs using the hostname and port supplied by  the client if any
   are supplied (otherwise it will use the  canonical name, as
   defined above).

which is does not do currently but *is* a viable and required
implementation in some cases, as you know since IIRC you
were the one to adjust 2.1 to the current behavior to
correctly handle some problems you were seeing. However,
the 2.0 case is also required when Apache (on port 8000, eg)
is behind a load-balancer (on port 80) and the LB splices
the request to Apache. In this case, if Apache needs to
create a self-ref with UCN Off, then it returns the
hostname from Host (as it should) but assuming no port
information it returns port 8000:

      LB: www.foo.com:80
      Apache: foo1.foo.com:8000

Apache should send www.foo.com:80, but instead
it'll send www.foo.com:8000 unless the client
appends ':80' to the Host header :/

So both the 1.3/2.1 and the 2.0 methods may be required
for different environments. Which means that at least
there should be a 4th option (after On, Off and DNS) which
says "Ignore physical port" or alternatively "Use physical
port". But use_canonical_name is a bitfield of width 2,
which doesn't give us enough room, so in order to prevent
breaking the API (we can't expand it), we could tack another
element to the end of core_dir_config to extend how the
port is determined, hence UseCanonicalPort.







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