> Am 03.03.2021 um 11:17 schrieb Ruediger Pluem <rpl...@apache.org>:
> 
> 
> 
> On 3/3/21 11:01 AM, Stefan Eissing wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> Am 03.03.2021 um 10:44 schrieb Stefan Eissing 
>>> <stefan.eiss...@greenbytes.de>:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Am 03.03.2021 um 10:31 schrieb Ruediger Pluem <rpl...@apache.org>:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 3/3/21 9:54 AM, Stefan Eissing wrote:
>>>>>> Am 03.03.2021 um 09:35 schrieb Stefan Eissing 
>>>>>> <stefan.eiss...@greenbytes.de>:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Am 02.03.2021 um 20:54 schrieb Ruediger Pluem <rpl...@apache.org>:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 3/2/21 3:21 PM, ic...@apache.org wrote:
>>>>>>>> Author: icing
>>>>>>>> Date: Tue Mar  2 14:21:18 2021
>>>>>>>> New Revision: 1887085
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=1887085&view=rev
>>>>>>>> Log:
>>>>>>>> Adding more ap_ssl_* functions and hooks to the core server.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> - ap_ssl_add_cert_files() to enable other modules like mod_md to 
>>>>>>>> provide
>>>>>>>>   certificate and keys for an SSL module like mod_ssl.
>>>>>>>> - ap_ssl_add_fallback_cert_files() to enable other modules like mod_md 
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>   provide a fallback certificate in case no 'proper' certificate is
>>>>>>>>   available for an SSL module like mod_ssl.
>>>>>>>> - ap_ssl_answer_challenge() to enable other modules like mod_md to
>>>>>>>>   provide a certificate as used in the RFC 8555 'tls-alpn-01' challenge
>>>>>>>>   for the ACME protocol for an SSL module like mod_ssl.
>>>>>>>> - Hooks for 'ssl_add_cert_files', 'ssl_add_fallback_cert_files' and
>>>>>>>>  'ssl_answer_challenge' where modules like mod_md can provide providers
>>>>>>>>  to the above mentioned functions.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Modified:
>>>>>>>> httpd/httpd/trunk/CHANGES
>>>>>>>> httpd/httpd/trunk/include/ap_mmn.h
>>>>>>>> httpd/httpd/trunk/include/http_protocol.h
>>>>>>>> httpd/httpd/trunk/modules/md/mod_md.c
>>>>>>>> httpd/httpd/trunk/modules/ssl/ssl_engine_init.c
>>>>>>>> httpd/httpd/trunk/modules/ssl/ssl_engine_kernel.c
>>>>>>>> httpd/httpd/trunk/modules/ssl/ssl_private.h
>>>>>>>> httpd/httpd/trunk/server/protocol.c
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Modified: httpd/httpd/trunk/modules/ssl/ssl_engine_kernel.c
>>>>>>>> URL: 
>>>>>>>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/httpd/httpd/trunk/modules/ssl/ssl_engine_kernel.c?rev=1887085&r1=1887084&r2=1887085&view=diff
>>>>>>>> ==============================================================================
>>>>>>>> --- httpd/httpd/trunk/modules/ssl/ssl_engine_kernel.c (original)
>>>>>>>> +++ httpd/httpd/trunk/modules/ssl/ssl_engine_kernel.c Tue Mar  2 
>>>>>>>> 14:21:18 2021
>>>>>>>> @@ -2316,11 +2316,29 @@ void ssl_callback_Info(const SSL *ssl, i
>>>>>>>> #ifdef HAVE_TLSEXT
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> static apr_status_t set_challenge_creds(conn_rec *c, const char 
>>>>>>>> *servername,
>>>>>>>> -                                        SSL *ssl, X509 *cert, 
>>>>>>>> EVP_PKEY *key)
>>>>>>>> +                                        SSL *ssl, X509 *cert, 
>>>>>>>> EVP_PKEY *key,
>>>>>>>> +                                        const char *cert_file, const 
>>>>>>>> char *key_file)
>>>>>>>> {
>>>>>>>> SSLConnRec *sslcon = myConnConfig(c);
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> sslcon->service_unavailable = 1;
>>>>>>>> +    if (cert_file) {
>>>>>>>> +        if (SSL_use_certificate_chain_file(ssl, cert_file) < 1) {
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> As noted by the failure of build #1461 (
>>>>>>> https://travis-ci.com/github/apache/httpd/jobs/487481449)
>>>>>>> SSL_use_certificate_chain_file is not available with OpenSSL 1.0.2 
>>>>>>> which is still the OS
>>>>>>> provided standard version with Ubuntu 16 LTS and RedHat / Centos 7.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Is there a known alternative?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Will use SSL_use_certificate_file() there which is available in 1.0.2.
>>>> 
>>>> Two questions:
>>>> 
>>>> 1. Do SSL_use_certificate_file and SSL_use_certificate_chain_file do the 
>>>> same thing? My understanding of the documentation is that
>>>> SSL_use_certificate_chain_file loads a certificate chain (and just a 
>>>> chain) from the file while SSL_use_certificate_file loads
>>>> just a certificate.
>>> 
>>> In my testing, they both do the same when the file contains only a 
>>> self-signed certificate. Which is the use case with ACME.
>>> 
>>> But you are correct, as the documentation says 
>>> "SSL_CTX_use_certificate_file() loads the first certificate stored in file 
>>> into ctx.". And "SSL_CTX_use_certificate_chain_file" loads a complete 
>>> chain, starting with the client/server certificate.#
>>> 
>>> So, ideally, we'd want to call SSL_use_certificate_chain_file(), because it 
>>> is more flexible. The ACME use case can live with the less potent call 
>>> available in 1.0.2. 
>>> 
>>> Maybe we should "#if version >= 1.1" and use the better one then?
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 2. Is it a good idea that consumers of the ssl_answer_challenge hook can 
>>>> only provide certs and keys via files? What if these are
>>>> not stored in a file? Would it be an option to have the hook return a 
>>>> **void for the cert and a **void for the key in addition
>>>> that can be NULL or that in the OpenSSL case contain a **X509 and 
>>>> **EVP_PKEY?
>>> 
>>> I was thinking about that. But imagine a scenario where a server has 2 SSL 
>>> modules loaded. What would the "void*" be for? How could a module given a 
>>> value in it know it's safe to use?
>>> 
>>> Besides PEM files, the only other portable way I can think of are DER bytes.
>>> 
>>> I opted for files, since those do exists in the mod_md ACME case already 
>>> and so it was easy to do. Not the best design criteria, but not the worst 
>>> either.
>>> 
>>> - Stefan
>> 
>> Good that there is RĂ¼diger! 
>> 
>> Thinking about this: how much work would it be for mod_ssl to accept PEM 
>> bytes? That would make the exchange of certificate independent of the file 
>> system and portable.
> 
> I guess PEM_read_bio_X509 / PEM_read_bio_RSAPrivateKey could do the job with 
> a BIO created via BIO_new_mem_buf.
> 
>> 
>> typedef struct ap_bytes ap_bytes;
>> struct {
>>  const char *data;
>>  apr_size_t len;
>> } ap_bytes;
>> 
>> AP_DECLARE(int) ap_ssl_answer_challenge(conn_rec *c, const char 
>> *server_name, const ap_bytes **pcertificate_key_pem);
> 
> Crossing posts :-). Quick questions:
> 
> 1. What is the need for the len field above? I think PEM encoded data could 
> be nul terminated. Or do you want to leave an option
>   for DER data?

I have been in too much contact with languages that do not NUL-terminate 
strings, it seems. We could just make it a "const char **" then. 

I do not like to define something generic parameters where the additionals use 
cases are unclear and may never happen. So, no DER foreseen by me. I think for 
the amount of data that is passed with keys/certificates, a PEM encoding is the 
most portable and should work fine.

> 2. As there is only one ap_bytes ** above, do you want to merge the PEM 
> encoded certificate and key in one string?

That was the thought. When I started with mod_md, I kept them separate because 
everyone else seem to be doing it. But I do not really see any benefit in that, 
really. But then, I am ignorant of a lot of things, I found in life...

- Stefan

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