+1 (binding)

On Thu, Aug 13, 2026 at 1:07 PM Hongyue Zhang <[email protected]>
wrote:

> +1 (non-binding)
>
> Thanks Huaxin!
>
> On Thu, Aug 13, 2026 at 11:03 Gianluca Graziadei <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> +1 (non-binding )
>>
>> The asymmetric cost argument is the decisive factor for me.
>>
>> An equality delete allows the writer to offload work onto every
>> subsequent read, and this deferred cost is neither bounded nor visible to
>> the party that generated it. Deletion vectors make that cost explicit and
>> ensure it is paid only once.
>>
>> I would also like to highlight point 3, which I think is underrated:
>> making the upgrade metadata-only decouples V4 adoption from delete file
>> migration. Users can move to V4 on their own timeline and convert equality
>> deletes as a background maintenance task. Coupling the two would have
>> turned V4 adoption into a weeks-long operational project for large tables.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Gianluca
>>
>> Il giorno gio 13 ago 2026 alle ore 19:57 Neelesh Salian <
>> [email protected]> ha scritto:
>>
>>> +1 (non binding) Thank you Huaxin.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 12, 2026 at 19:07 huaxin gao <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Following the discussion thread "[DISCUSS] Deprecate Equality Deletes in
>>>> Iceberg V4" [1], I'd like to call a vote on the following proposal for
>>>> the
>>>> V4 table spec.
>>>>
>>>> Proposal
>>>> --------
>>>> 1. Writing new equality deletes is forbidden for V4 tables: the V4
>>>> metadata
>>>>    will not define equality deletes as an allowed entry type.
>>>>
>>>> 2. Reading equality deletes remains supported in the reference
>>>>    implementation for backward compatibility, both for existing V2/V3
>>>>    tables and for equality deletes carried over into upgraded V4 tables.
>>>>
>>>> 3. Upgrading a V2/V3 table to V4 is metadata-only (no synchronous
>>>> rewrite
>>>>    of data or delete files). Existing equality deletes remain in
>>>> carried-
>>>>    over V2/V3 delete manifests; converting them to deletion vectors is a
>>>>    separate, optional maintenance action.
>>>>
>>>> Rationale
>>>> ---------
>>>> Equality deletes impose an asymmetric cost paid on every read,
>>>> complicate
>>>> the format, and block features such as CDC, row lineage, and incremental
>>>> index/materialized-view maintenance. Deletion vectors make deletion a
>>>> flat,
>>>> one-time cost, and the Flink ConvertEqualityDeletes work demonstrates a
>>>> viable replacement path, so we do not need the full replacement
>>>> completed
>>>> before forbidding new equality deletes in V4.
>>>>
>>>> The vote will be open for at least 72 hours.
>>>>
>>>> [ ] +1 Forbid writing equality deletes in V4
>>>> [ ] +0
>>>> [ ] -1 Do not forbid (please explain)
>>>>
>>>> [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/ks01jpv40qjlvz4yop5tlqv4x5oxbwy6
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Huaxin
>>>>
>>>

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