+1 (non-binding)

Thanks

On Thu, Aug 13, 2026 at 11:13 AM Russell Spitzer <[email protected]>
wrote:

> +1 (binding)
>
> On Thu, Aug 13, 2026 at 1:07 PM Hongyue Zhang <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> +1 (non-binding)
>>
>> Thanks Huaxin!
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2026 at 11:03 Gianluca Graziadei <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> +1 (non-binding )
>>>
>>> The asymmetric cost argument is the decisive factor for me.
>>>
>>> An equality delete allows the writer to offload work onto every
>>> subsequent read, and this deferred cost is neither bounded nor visible to
>>> the party that generated it. Deletion vectors make that cost explicit and
>>> ensure it is paid only once.
>>>
>>> I would also like to highlight point 3, which I think is underrated:
>>> making the upgrade metadata-only decouples V4 adoption from delete file
>>> migration. Users can move to V4 on their own timeline and convert equality
>>> deletes as a background maintenance task. Coupling the two would have
>>> turned V4 adoption into a weeks-long operational project for large tables.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Gianluca
>>>
>>> Il giorno gio 13 ago 2026 alle ore 19:57 Neelesh Salian <
>>> [email protected]> ha scritto:
>>>
>>>> +1 (non binding) Thank you Huaxin.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 12, 2026 at 19:07 huaxin gao <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Following the discussion thread "[DISCUSS] Deprecate Equality Deletes
>>>>> in
>>>>> Iceberg V4" [1], I'd like to call a vote on the following proposal for
>>>>> the
>>>>> V4 table spec.
>>>>>
>>>>> Proposal
>>>>> --------
>>>>> 1. Writing new equality deletes is forbidden for V4 tables: the V4
>>>>> metadata
>>>>>    will not define equality deletes as an allowed entry type.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Reading equality deletes remains supported in the reference
>>>>>    implementation for backward compatibility, both for existing V2/V3
>>>>>    tables and for equality deletes carried over into upgraded V4
>>>>> tables.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. Upgrading a V2/V3 table to V4 is metadata-only (no synchronous
>>>>> rewrite
>>>>>    of data or delete files). Existing equality deletes remain in
>>>>> carried-
>>>>>    over V2/V3 delete manifests; converting them to deletion vectors is
>>>>> a
>>>>>    separate, optional maintenance action.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rationale
>>>>> ---------
>>>>> Equality deletes impose an asymmetric cost paid on every read,
>>>>> complicate
>>>>> the format, and block features such as CDC, row lineage, and
>>>>> incremental
>>>>> index/materialized-view maintenance. Deletion vectors make deletion a
>>>>> flat,
>>>>> one-time cost, and the Flink ConvertEqualityDeletes work demonstrates a
>>>>> viable replacement path, so we do not need the full replacement
>>>>> completed
>>>>> before forbidding new equality deletes in V4.
>>>>>
>>>>> The vote will be open for at least 72 hours.
>>>>>
>>>>> [ ] +1 Forbid writing equality deletes in V4
>>>>> [ ] +0
>>>>> [ ] -1 Do not forbid (please explain)
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/ks01jpv40qjlvz4yop5tlqv4x5oxbwy6
>>>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.apache.org/thread/ks01jpv40qjlvz4yop5tlqv4x5oxbwy6__;!!LIr3w8kk_Xxm!vsYT4Z_ihSMhUpgRXcXgEUbArKyPoG3WKwSCXmmMtC_0Tg3ICMgaSOoq7WzaKsMaK4-c_vXUCsbXEVhdw7RV0di7e8S-yLUE$>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Huaxin
>>>>>
>>>>

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