*not* too late of course, need reading glasses ;-) On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 21:58, Jeroen van der Wal <jer...@stromboli.it> wrote:
> Oops, hopefully I'm too late. > > I cast my vote to: > 1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma* > > Kind regards, > > Jeroen van der Wal > Stromboli b.v. > +31 655 874050 > > > On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 20:06, Dan Haywood <d...@haywood-associates.co.uk> > wrote: > >> Hi folks, >> >> The vote has now been open for 14 days, but I'll keep it going a few days >> more as we had quite a few votes over the last day or two. >> >> Once I do close the vote, then will need to do some deeper due diligence >> on >> trademarks etc. We'll also kick off a logo competition and all those fun >> sort of things. >> >> For now, though here's the current state of play: >> >> 1. *Alma *: Johan*, Oscar*, Struberg*, Kevin*, Bilgin*, Alexander*, >> Brian K, Fernando, Martin H, >> 2. *Causeway*: Andy*, Dan*, Joerg*, Rob*, Patrick, Martin W >> 3. *Kokoro *: Dhruv >> >> * = committer/PMC member. Only these formally count, but we want to hear >> as many voices as possible. >> >> And here are remarks, positive and negative, for Alma and for Causeway as >> names: >> >> Alma +ve >> " catchy" >> * "write what you hear, very short" >> * "alma in portuguese means soul" >> >> Alma -ve >> * AlmaLinux is a new Linux distribution (merge of CentOS and RHEL) >> * 4918 hits in Global Brand DB [1] Search Results (vs 109 for Causeway) >> * "common word ending up in conflict" >> * "Alma does have a little baggage though... quite a few roads in the UK >> to >> commemorate the battle of Alma" >> * "Alma" means different things to different people. As such it doesn't >> really transport a single idea. >> >> Causeway +ve >> * "sounds intentional, will take you somewhere" >> * A "Causeway" has a lot of marketing value [to bridge the gap between >> business and techies]" >> * "easy to say with and without Apache first. Well known word, easy to >> spell. No weird or unfortunate connotation in Urban Dictionary. I like >> the hexagonal connection too." >> >> Causeway -ve >> * "hard to write for non-native speakers" >> * "prefer non-english word to stand out in searches" >> * "potentially difficult to pronounce in non-english langs" >> >> >> Thx >> Dan >> >> [1] https://branddb.wipo.int/branddb/en/ >> >> On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 17:21, - - <rmatth...@nakedobjects.org> wrote: >> >> > Please do. >> > >> > R >> > >> > > On 09/06/2022 17:11 Dan Haywood <d...@haywood-associates.co.uk> wrote: >> > > >> > > >> > > Thanks for this, Rob. Do you mind if I cross-post to the thread on >> Slack >> > > ... ? >> > > >> > > On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 17:08, - - <rmatth...@nakedobjects.org> wrote: >> > > >> > > > Hi All >> > > > When we donated the Naked Objects project to Apache, all those years >> > ago, >> > > > we had to change its name. This was because a commercial version >> > (ported to >> > > > .NET) was the focus of the business and it used that original name. >> > That >> > > > name described the framework so well, even if it raised a few >> eyebrows. >> > > > Dan and I discussed new names at length, looking for something >> > > > descriptive, pithy and memorable. Given what we were changing it >> from, >> > the >> > > > task was rather hard. What we settled on gave us something unique >> and >> > > > terse, using something that was common to us three--we all lived in >> > towns >> > > > next to this river (more commonly known as the Thames)--and it also >> had >> > > > that goddess connection. >> > > > After a while that choice started to look poor. Unfortunately >> > associations >> > > > matter and I have no doubt there has been an effect to this. A local >> > > > friend, who invests in businesses in the area, commented to me that >> > many >> > > > companies in the area (particularly Oxford) have had to change their >> > > > company names over the recent years. >> > > > To me, this is reminiscent of an old VW Golf advert, where a guy is >> > > > wandering back from the casino and the voice over explains that he >> had >> > put >> > > > everything on black and it had come up red. He then gets into his >> Golf >> > and >> > > > the implication is that he still has the most important thing. We >> > started >> > > > with a great framework and picked the wrong name. Yet we still have >> the >> > > > important part. >> > > > To me Causeway sound intentional, it'll take you somewhere. This >> gets >> > my >> > > > vote. The others are fine, but I would put the simpler one first, >> so: >> > 1) >> > > > Causeway; 2) Alma; 3) Kokoro. >> > > > Hey, but don't listen to me. Look what happened last time! >> > > > Best regards >> > > > Robert >> > > > > On 24/05/2022 09:46 Dan Haywood <d...@haywood-associates.co.uk> >> > wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > Hi folks, >> > > > > We've talked a lot about changing the name of the framework, see >> for >> > > > > example ISIS-1303 [1]. So this thread, is, finally, to start the >> > process >> > > > > There have been an awful lot of suggestions; talking >> > informally/offline >> > > > > with the other committers, we think there are a few front-runners. >> > So the >> > > > > vote below lists these, but if none appeal then you can vote for >> > > > something >> > > > > else. >> > > > > So, please cast vote your vote for one of the following: >> > > > > 1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma* >> > > > > 2. change the framework's name to Apache *Causeway* >> > > > > 3. change the framework's name to Apache *Kokoro* >> > > > > 4 *don't change *the framework's name >> > > > > 5. do change the framework's name, but I don't like any of them, >> > give me >> > > > > some *other choices*! >> > > > > Background on the first three choices: >> > > > > *Alma* - technically speaking, is a piece of wood (a little round >> > pole) >> > > > > within a stringed instrument such as a violin [2], connecting the >> > > > > soundboards etc. What it means though "heart" or "soul" -think >> "alma >> > > > > mater", so the metaphor is that we are connecting business with >> > > > technology, >> > > > > or acting as the heart of the business. >> > > > > *Causeway* - taken from the Giant's Causeway in Northern Ireland, >> a >> > > > > geological feature characterised by hexagonal basalt columns [3]. >> The >> > > > > metaphor here is again "causeway" meaning bridge, but the hexagons >> > also >> > > > are >> > > > > reminiscent of the hexagonal architecture common to DDD. >> > > > > *Kokoro* - is a Japanese word meaning something connecting heart, >> > mind, >> > > > > body and spirit [4]. It has been trendy in the past to use >> Japanese >> > > > words. >> > > > > >> > > > > In case anyone wants a reminder, our current name *Isis* comes >> from >> > the >> > > > > name of the River Thames as it wanders through Oxford (the >> original >> > > > > authors of the framework all used to live in Oxfordshire). Isis of >> > course >> > > > > was an Egyptian goddess [5]. >> > > > > For voting, hopefully there will be a clear winner, but it might >> make >> > > > sense >> > > > > to rank your preferences. If there are no clear winners then, >> well, >> > we'll >> > > > > go round the loop - we don't want to force through a change that >> > no-one >> > > > is >> > > > > happy with. >> > > > > Normally votes are at least 72 hours, but we intend to keep this >> one >> > open >> > > > > longer than that, at least we've had a few contributions to the >> > thread. >> > > > > Only committers to the framework have a formal vote, but it'd be >> > good to >> > > > > hear the views of as many users of the framework as we can. >> > > > > Thanks >> > > > > Dan (co-drafted with Johan). >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-1303 >> > > > > [2] >> > > > >> > >> https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-odn0l-W5zow/Wmim3CiDJNI/AAAAAAAAG8c/ZiJPbHSbhHUEumzpxw1ZYNmIfb8IXnBjQCLcBGAs/s1600/20120919201309.jpg >> > > > > [3] >> > > > >> > >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway#/media/File:Causeway-code_poet-4.jpg >> > > > > [4] >> > > > >> > >> https://qz.com/946438/kokoro-a-japanese-word-connecting-mind-body-and-spirit-is-also-driving-scientific-discovery/ >> > > > > [5] >> > > > >> > >> https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis#:~:text=Isis%20is%20a%20goddess%20in,greatest%20goddesses%20of%20Ancient%20Egypt >> > > > > . >> > >> >
