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> On 09/06/2022 17:11 Dan Haywood <d...@haywood-associates.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks for this, Rob. Do you mind if I cross-post to the thread on Slack
> ... ?
> 
> On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 17:08, - - <rmatth...@nakedobjects.org> wrote:
> 
> > Hi All
> > When we donated the Naked Objects project to Apache, all those years ago,
> > we had to change its name. This was because a commercial version (ported to
> > .NET) was the focus of the business and it used that original name. That
> > name described the framework so well, even if it raised a few eyebrows.
> > Dan and I discussed new names at length, looking for something
> > descriptive, pithy and memorable. Given what we were changing it from, the
> > task was rather hard. What we settled on gave us something unique and
> > terse, using something that was common to us three--we all lived in towns
> > next to this river (more commonly known as the Thames)--and it also had
> > that goddess connection.
> > After a while that choice started to look poor. Unfortunately associations
> > matter and I have no doubt there has been an effect to this. A local
> > friend, who invests in businesses in the area, commented to me that many
> > companies in the area (particularly Oxford) have had to change their
> > company names over the recent years.
> > To me, this is reminiscent of an old VW Golf advert, where a guy is
> > wandering back from the casino and the voice over explains that he had put
> > everything on black and it had come up red. He then gets into his Golf and
> > the implication is that he still has the most important thing. We started
> > with a great framework and picked the wrong name. Yet we still have the
> > important part.
> > To me Causeway sound intentional, it'll take you somewhere. This gets my
> > vote. The others are fine, but I would put the simpler one first, so: 1)
> > Causeway; 2) Alma; 3) Kokoro.
> > Hey, but don't listen to me. Look what happened last time!
> > Best regards
> > Robert
> > > On 24/05/2022 09:46 Dan Haywood <d...@haywood-associates.co.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi folks,
> > > We've talked a lot about changing the name of the framework, see for
> > > example ISIS-1303 [1]. So this thread, is, finally, to start the process
> > > There have been an awful lot of suggestions; talking informally/offline
> > > with the other committers, we think there are a few front-runners. So the
> > > vote below lists these, but if none appeal then you can vote for
> > something
> > > else.
> > > So, please cast vote your vote for one of the following:
> > > 1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma*
> > > 2. change the framework's name to Apache *Causeway*
> > > 3. change the framework's name to Apache *Kokoro*
> > > 4 *don't change *the framework's name
> > > 5. do change the framework's name, but I don't like any of them, give me
> > > some *other choices*!
> > > Background on the first three choices:
> > > *Alma* - technically speaking, is a piece of wood (a little round pole)
> > > within a stringed instrument such as a violin [2], connecting the
> > > soundboards etc. What it means though "heart" or "soul" -think "alma
> > > mater", so the metaphor is that we are connecting business with
> > technology,
> > > or acting as the heart of the business.
> > > *Causeway* - taken from the Giant's Causeway in Northern Ireland, a
> > > geological feature characterised by hexagonal basalt columns [3]. The
> > > metaphor here is again "causeway" meaning bridge, but the hexagons also
> > are
> > > reminiscent of the hexagonal architecture common to DDD.
> > > *Kokoro* - is a Japanese word meaning something connecting heart, mind,
> > > body and spirit [4]. It has been trendy in the past to use Japanese
> > words.
> > >
> > > In case anyone wants a reminder, our current name *Isis* comes from the
> > > name of the River Thames as it wanders through Oxford (the original
> > > authors of the framework all used to live in Oxfordshire). Isis of course
> > > was an Egyptian goddess [5].
> > > For voting, hopefully there will be a clear winner, but it might make
> > sense
> > > to rank your preferences. If there are no clear winners then, well, we'll
> > > go round the loop - we don't want to force through a change that no-one
> > is
> > > happy with.
> > > Normally votes are at least 72 hours, but we intend to keep this one open
> > > longer than that, at least we've had a few contributions to the thread.
> > > Only committers to the framework have a formal vote, but it'd be good to
> > > hear the views of as many users of the framework as we can.
> > > Thanks
> > > Dan (co-drafted with Johan).
> > >
> > >
> > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-1303
> > > [2]
> > https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-odn0l-W5zow/Wmim3CiDJNI/AAAAAAAAG8c/ZiJPbHSbhHUEumzpxw1ZYNmIfb8IXnBjQCLcBGAs/s1600/20120919201309.jpg
> > > [3]
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway#/media/File:Causeway-code_poet-4.jpg
> > > [4]
> > https://qz.com/946438/kokoro-a-japanese-word-connecting-mind-body-and-spirit-is-also-driving-scientific-discovery/
> > > [5]
> > https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis#:~:text=Isis%20is%20a%20goddess%20in,greatest%20goddesses%20of%20Ancient%20Egypt
> > > .

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