If I may add my 2 cents, us enterprise types sometimes also like the flexibility that choice offers: sometimes only one requirement of an important tool is enough to upgrade a whole set of boxes.

And believe it or not, lack of 1.5 support by another JVM language we used in a project (NetRexx) was actually used to inflict damage on it by some detractors.

René.

On 24-jul-2007, at 21:21, Charles Oliver Nutter wrote:

Ola Bini wrote:
I am against such a move. I would love to have some of the features in Java 5, but the fact of it is that most "enterprises" are still on 1.4. I believe JRuby is very important especially in the areas where conservative values reign, and moving to Java 5 will totally destroy that advantage.

The concern I have here is that other implementations are not hindered by a platform version as much as we are, and it's starting to cause us a bit of pain. For example, IronRuby is based on C# 2.0, and they're able to use many features we can't like annotations.

Also, as I pointed out, JRuby 1.0 would continue to support Java 1.4. The fact is that it requires a fair bit of effort and pain on our part to continue using Java 1.4 going forward, and that's rather not in the spirit of open source. If people want to continue supporting Java 1.4, they can put in the effort themselves.

- Charlie

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