Just to be clear.... I didn't purchase Install4j. I just asked for a free open source license. So it's no sweat off my back if you choose not to use it. I've been meaning to chip in on JRuby for a while. I'm just happy to help.

The installers I built with Install4j are just quick stab, so you could get a feel for what Install4J installers are like. They would require more work before releasing.

I'm curious what BitRock feels like. Daniel, could you whip up some BitRock installers for each platform? They don't have to be complete... just enough to get a feel for it. Then I'd suggest we try them both out and see which option offers the best experience. Maybe a combination of both installers for different platforms is the best route.

Micah

On Jul 21, 2009, at 4:40 PM, Charles Oliver Nutter wrote:

Since Micah already purchased and built an installer...maybe we just
point people to both of them? I think Install4J is more focused on
Windows, is that correct?

Both options sound really great...so I don't know how to choose which
one to make the "official" installer.

My key points would be:

1. cross-platform install and *build*, so we don't need a Windows box
to build the Windows installer, etc
2. options to fetch or bundle a JVM, or to select existing JVMs
3. "we" on the JRuby team can build installers at will, like when
we're about to release
4. ideally, automated as much as possible, like part of the jruby
"dist" ant target or a new "dist-installers" target

Thanks to everyone for looking into this. What do you guys think we should do?

On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Daniel Lopez<[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Stephen, everybody

Do you have any (or know of any) open examples of a scripts for creating and
easily maintaining a JRubyStack-type of deployment.

We can share the JRubyStack XML project files, but since you are
interested just in JRuby and that is relatively straightforward, they
will not really help as the real complexity is in the additional
components of the stack.

Some comments below regarding your notes.

http://svn.concord.org/svn/projects/trunk/common/java/deploy/bitrock-installers

and is being documented in a series of confluence pages here:

 http://confluence.concord.org/display/CSP/Java+Installable+Launcher


General BitRock Questions

1. try setting an environment variable (is a reboot needed before that
variable is visible?)
 * Usually reboot is not required. A message is broadcasted that the
environment changed on Windows, if that is what you mean. Also, are
you referring to system or user-level environment variables?


2. See if bitrock can support signing files

Yes we do. You will need to use MS code-signing tools. You can drive
them from IB in a <postInstallationActionList>

http://support.bitrock.com/article/i-get-an-unkown-publisher-warning-popup-on-windows


3. See if bitrock can support online installers that are small and
then download just the files that are needed.

We do not (yet) have direct support. Though with some shortcomings,
you can build your own in the mean time using httpGet, we will be
happy to help you with that.

Mac

1. Support for creating Mac packages

We can create .deb and .rpm for Linux, but is not possible to create
.pkg OS X packages (only regular .app installer that you can launch)

Java

1. It has actions for finding the java executable, but it doesn't find
the java.home just the executable.

You can just use the parent directory of the binary as the JAVA_HOME.
The problem is that in some scenarios a Java binary is available but
no JAVA_HOME is defined, you can only guess it. Regarding this and the issues you raise of environment vs. java.properties in JAVA_HOME, why
not simply define the variables you need in a wrapper script or
launcher for your application?

2. Common data folder across distributions

We have now implemented in 6.2.0 ability to filter Windows XP, based
on your feedback. We will also implement installer variables for
finding out the location of data folder across operating systems (and
simplifying your current installer logic)

Please let me know if there is any question I did not address

Best regards

Daniel

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