Thanks for chiming in with your opinions John/Mickael. The current set of videos are very helpful and removing them might be a disservice to our users. The most ideal solution would be to host the videos on Apache servers without any branding. Another less than ideal solution would be to host a repository of links to educational content on our website.
As for the next steps, I am going to do the following which would help us get answers on whether solution 1 or solution 2 is more feasible. Please let me know if you think we need to do something different here. 1. Reach out to ASF legal and ask what permissions/licence would we require from the video owners to host the videos ourselves. 2. Reach out to ASF community mailing list <https://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-community> and ask how other communities are hosting educational content. There is still an open question about how we decide what content gets added and what doesn't. I would propose that the model should be the same as accepting code changes i.e. it goes through a community review requiring votes committers/PMC members. Regards, Divij Vaidya On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 3:57 AM John Roesler <vvcep...@apache.org> wrote: > Hi all, > > Yes, thanks Divij for driving this! > > I tend to agree with Mickael about having vendor branding > front-and-center like that. > > On the other hand, I think the video itself is quite nice, and > it's a good thing to put in front of newcomers for a human > introduction to the project. > > I took a look at the video on those pages, and I'm not sure > if the videos themselves are branded. It looks like the branding > marks are markup that YouTube pastes on top of the video. > > Perhaps a solution is for Kafka to set up a channel of our own > and upload the videos there? Or maybe just host the videos > as static resources on our site directly? Approaches like those > are probably good policy anyway, because then we > would control the content that shows on our site. > > Thanks, > John > > On Tue, Jul 19, 2022, at 11:48, Mickael Maison wrote: > > Hi Divij, > > > > Thanks for leading this work. > > > > To be honest I'm not sure what to do with the videos. I'm actually > > wondering if these videos should be on our website at all. > > > > My concerns is that they are branded. I find the content of the videos > > very good but I don't think we should include branded content from > > vendors on the Apache website, or at least not put it front and > > center. This is literally the first thing we show to newcomers, > > there's one at the top of both the Intro > > (https://kafka.apache.org/intro) and quickstart > > (https://kafka.apache.org/quickstart) pages. > > > > If tomorrow another vendor was to open a PR adding their videos to > > other pages, would we allow that? I searched the archives and couldn't > > find a discussion about adding branded third party content to the > > website. If I missed that, please share a link, otherwise I think this > > should be discussed. > > > > Thanks, > > Mickael > > > > On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 4:08 PM Divij Vaidya <divijvaidy...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > >> Hi community > >> > >> We have managed to fix most of the required items, thanks to Mickael > >> Maison, Luke Chen and Tom Bentley for quick reviews. > >> > >> But we still need to talk about item #5 i.e. the problem with "Embedded > >> videos don't have an image placeholder". Quoting from the ASF > guidelines: > >> *Can I embed videos (from YouTube, Vimeo, etc.)?* > >> > >> *Yes, you can embed videos on the website, but they should load only > after > >> the user actively wants them to load. Arrange this by showing a > placeholder > >> image first and loading the video after the user clicks on the image. > Make > >> it clear that users who click the image will load a video from a third > >> party.* > >> > >> *If you don’t want placeholder images, consider self-hosted videos and > >> using an open source player like Plyr <https://github.com/sampotts/plyr > >.* > >> > >> We seem to have two options: > >> 1. Replace videos on the website with links to the videos OR > >> 2. Take a placeholder image and use JS to trigger playback after the > user > >> clicks. > >> > >> I would suggest going with option#1 right now due to time constraints > and > >> create a ticket to do (more user friendly) option#2 in the future.* > What do > >> you think?* > >> > >> -- > >> Divij Vaidya > >> > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Jul 13, 2022 at 5:10 PM Divij Vaidya <divijvaidy...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > Hello Apache Kafka community > >> > > >> > The ASF has a new data privacy policy to comply with the GDPR (the > >> > European Union's General Data Protection Regulation) and we - like all > >> > other ASF projects - have been asked to update our project homepage > >> > accordingly. > >> > > >> > Mickael Maison has kindly traged the initial set of requirements and > >> > listed down the required set of changes at > >> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-13868. > >> > > >> > I would like to bring your attention to a few PRs that address the > >> > required changes and also solicit your comments on how I plan to solve > >> > others. > >> > > >> > 1. Our website is missing privacy policy -> Addressed by adding an > item in > >> > the top nav bar https://github.com/apache/kafka-site/pull/421. > *Action - > >> > please review the PR.* > >> > 2. It's using Google Analytics -> I would propose that we should get > rid > >> > of Google Analytics in favor of Apache recommended Matomo > >> > <https://privacy.apache.org/faq/committers.html> for website > analytics. > >> > If you folks agree, I would request a Matomo site ID for Apache Kafka > to > >> > make the required changes. > >> > *Action - do you agree to this change?*3. It's using Google Fonts -> I > >> > have moved the Google fonts to a self hosted version which is > acceptable by > >> > Apache in the PR https://github.com/apache/kafka-site/pull/420. > >> > *Action - please review the PR. *4. It's using scripts hosted on > >> > Cloudflare CDN -> We use JS scripts such as handlebars > >> > <https://github.com/handlebars-lang/handlebars.js> and prism > >> > <https://prismjs.com/>. Both these libraries are MIT licensed and > hence, > >> > could be hosted locally along with the website. I will move them > along to > >> > be placed along with the website. > >> > *Action - do you agree to this change?*5. Embedded videos don't have > an > >> > image placeholder -> I don't have a proposed solution for this. > *Action - > >> > can someone with front end experience help us with this one?* > >> > > >> > Note that we need to make these changes by July 22nd and hence your > >> > immediate attention would be greatly appreciated. > >> > > >> > Cheers! > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Divij Vaidya > >> > > >> > >
