Thanks, Divij, I'm glad you reached out to those two groups. I'm curious to see what they say.
In response to your comment: > There is still an open question about how we decide what content gets added > and what doesn't. I would propose that the model should be the same as > accepting code changes i.e. it goes through a community review requiring > votes committers/PMC members. It seems to me that your proposal is already what we have in place. All website changes, whether adding images, text, videos, or anything else, are sent via Github pull request, and then reviewed and merged by committers in accordance with our project guidelines. Git-blame shows that this particular video was added to the site as part of the redesign in https://github.com/apache/kafka-site/pull/269 . That PR was open for two months, during which time any community member could have reviewed and commented if they objected to any of the content, including the video. In fact, the author included rendered screenshots that include the branding on the PR. Personally, I would just treat this like any bug. I think we can acknowledge that it was a miss on the part of the author and reviewer to allow that branding on the page, but it should be sufficient just to fix the bug. The fact that one problem slips through code review and ships to prod only to be noticed two years later doesn't necessarily mean we need to create new policies and procedures. Just to be clear, I do agree that this branding is a problem, and I'm grateful that Mickael noticed it, and I'm supportive of fixing it by moving the video to an AK-owned channel or self-hosting the video. I just don't want to over-rotate by proposing a new approval process for website changes in response to an isolated incident. Thanks, -John On Thu, Jul 21, 2022, at 03:18, Divij Vaidya wrote: > Thanks for chiming in with your opinions John/Mickael. > > The current set of videos are very helpful and removing them might be a > disservice to our users. The most ideal solution would be to host the > videos on Apache servers without any branding. Another less than ideal > solution would be to host a repository of links to educational content on > our website. > > As for the next steps, I am going to do the following which would help us > get answers on whether solution 1 or solution 2 is more feasible. Please > let me know if you think we need to do something different here. > 1. Reach out to ASF legal and ask what permissions/licence would we require > from the video owners to host the videos ourselves. > 2. Reach out to ASF community mailing list > <https://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-community> > and ask how other communities are hosting educational content. > > There is still an open question about how we decide what content gets added > and what doesn't. I would propose that the model should be the same as > accepting code changes i.e. it goes through a community review requiring > votes committers/PMC members. > > Regards, > Divij Vaidya > > > > On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 3:57 AM John Roesler <vvcep...@apache.org> wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Yes, thanks Divij for driving this! >> >> I tend to agree with Mickael about having vendor branding >> front-and-center like that. >> >> On the other hand, I think the video itself is quite nice, and >> it's a good thing to put in front of newcomers for a human >> introduction to the project. >> >> I took a look at the video on those pages, and I'm not sure >> if the videos themselves are branded. It looks like the branding >> marks are markup that YouTube pastes on top of the video. >> >> Perhaps a solution is for Kafka to set up a channel of our own >> and upload the videos there? Or maybe just host the videos >> as static resources on our site directly? Approaches like those >> are probably good policy anyway, because then we >> would control the content that shows on our site. >> >> Thanks, >> John >> >> On Tue, Jul 19, 2022, at 11:48, Mickael Maison wrote: >> > Hi Divij, >> > >> > Thanks for leading this work. >> > >> > To be honest I'm not sure what to do with the videos. I'm actually >> > wondering if these videos should be on our website at all. >> > >> > My concerns is that they are branded. I find the content of the videos >> > very good but I don't think we should include branded content from >> > vendors on the Apache website, or at least not put it front and >> > center. This is literally the first thing we show to newcomers, >> > there's one at the top of both the Intro >> > (https://kafka.apache.org/intro) and quickstart >> > (https://kafka.apache.org/quickstart) pages. >> > >> > If tomorrow another vendor was to open a PR adding their videos to >> > other pages, would we allow that? I searched the archives and couldn't >> > find a discussion about adding branded third party content to the >> > website. If I missed that, please share a link, otherwise I think this >> > should be discussed. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Mickael >> > >> > On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 4:08 PM Divij Vaidya <divijvaidy...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi community >> >> >> >> We have managed to fix most of the required items, thanks to Mickael >> >> Maison, Luke Chen and Tom Bentley for quick reviews. >> >> >> >> But we still need to talk about item #5 i.e. the problem with "Embedded >> >> videos don't have an image placeholder". Quoting from the ASF >> guidelines: >> >> *Can I embed videos (from YouTube, Vimeo, etc.)?* >> >> >> >> *Yes, you can embed videos on the website, but they should load only >> after >> >> the user actively wants them to load. Arrange this by showing a >> placeholder >> >> image first and loading the video after the user clicks on the image. >> Make >> >> it clear that users who click the image will load a video from a third >> >> party.* >> >> >> >> *If you don’t want placeholder images, consider self-hosted videos and >> >> using an open source player like Plyr <https://github.com/sampotts/plyr >> >.* >> >> >> >> We seem to have two options: >> >> 1. Replace videos on the website with links to the videos OR >> >> 2. Take a placeholder image and use JS to trigger playback after the >> user >> >> clicks. >> >> >> >> I would suggest going with option#1 right now due to time constraints >> and >> >> create a ticket to do (more user friendly) option#2 in the future.* >> What do >> >> you think?* >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Divij Vaidya >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 13, 2022 at 5:10 PM Divij Vaidya <divijvaidy...@gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > Hello Apache Kafka community >> >> > >> >> > The ASF has a new data privacy policy to comply with the GDPR (the >> >> > European Union's General Data Protection Regulation) and we - like all >> >> > other ASF projects - have been asked to update our project homepage >> >> > accordingly. >> >> > >> >> > Mickael Maison has kindly traged the initial set of requirements and >> >> > listed down the required set of changes at >> >> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-13868. >> >> > >> >> > I would like to bring your attention to a few PRs that address the >> >> > required changes and also solicit your comments on how I plan to solve >> >> > others. >> >> > >> >> > 1. Our website is missing privacy policy -> Addressed by adding an >> item in >> >> > the top nav bar https://github.com/apache/kafka-site/pull/421. >> *Action - >> >> > please review the PR.* >> >> > 2. It's using Google Analytics -> I would propose that we should get >> rid >> >> > of Google Analytics in favor of Apache recommended Matomo >> >> > <https://privacy.apache.org/faq/committers.html> for website >> analytics. >> >> > If you folks agree, I would request a Matomo site ID for Apache Kafka >> to >> >> > make the required changes. >> >> > *Action - do you agree to this change?*3. It's using Google Fonts -> I >> >> > have moved the Google fonts to a self hosted version which is >> acceptable by >> >> > Apache in the PR https://github.com/apache/kafka-site/pull/420. >> >> > *Action - please review the PR. *4. It's using scripts hosted on >> >> > Cloudflare CDN -> We use JS scripts such as handlebars >> >> > <https://github.com/handlebars-lang/handlebars.js> and prism >> >> > <https://prismjs.com/>. Both these libraries are MIT licensed and >> hence, >> >> > could be hosted locally along with the website. I will move them >> along to >> >> > be placed along with the website. >> >> > *Action - do you agree to this change?*5. Embedded videos don't have >> an >> >> > image placeholder -> I don't have a proposed solution for this. >> *Action - >> >> > can someone with front end experience help us with this one?* >> >> > >> >> > Note that we need to make these changes by July 22nd and hence your >> >> > immediate attention would be greatly appreciated. >> >> > >> >> > Cheers! >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > Divij Vaidya >> >> > >> >> > >>
