- I wonder if it could be a new geronimo sub project maybe; geronimio using the latest karaf + features stuff etc ? >> Interesting question that Geronimo team should address. As we are using Jetty as Web Container and not Tomcat, don't start the server in the same way, loads the lib using a different approach - classloader, provision the platform in a completely different way (they are using modules - https://cwiki.apache.org/GMOxDOC30/geronimo-modules.html which are not bundles), our objectives (KarafEE vs Geronimo) are perhaps completely opposites.
On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 12:29 PM, James Strachan <[email protected]>wrote: > Yeah - I wonder if it could be a new geronimo sub project maybe; > geronimio using the latest karaf + features stuff etc? Its worth a > discussion to see; then maybe more folks could focus on EE in one > community using possibly slightly different underlying containers > (karaf 1.x / 2.x / 3.x) > > On 16 May 2013 11:25, Charles Moulliard <[email protected]> wrote: > > Geronimo uses Karaf 1.x and should move to Karaf 2.x but they don't > support > > all the Karaf functionalities like provisioning mechanism (features XML > > files). > > Maybe we could discuss with them to see if they can remove that > limitation. > > > > > > On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 12:18 PM, James Strachan > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > >> Isn't Geronimo based on Karaf now? If so isn't that a better place to > >> unify Karaf & EE? I'm all for diversity and competing implementations; > >> I just don't grok how KarafEE would differ from Geronimo; is there > >> something KarafEE would do differently to Geronimo from a Karaf > >> perspective? > >> > >> On 16 May 2013 08:21, Charles Moulliard <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > BTW. As we have spend time and efforts with Romain to develop KarafEE, > >> this > >> > is really stupid to loose the code and creating a Karaf subproject is > a > >> > excellent idea for that purpose. Moreover, as the goal of KarafEE > will be > >> > slightly different from Geronimo, this project is also very important > to > >> > host EE features of Karaf (JTA, JPA, ...). > >> > The Enterprise features of Karaf could be part of that subproject > while > >> > Karaf will continue to propose the Standard features file (Spring, > >> > Blueprint, Web, HTTP, Management, ...) > >> > > >> > > >> > On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Achim Nierbeck < > [email protected] > >> >wrote: > >> > > >> >> Hi Charles, > >> >> > >> >> I really like the idea of the KarafEE project, though right now I > have > >> some > >> >> doubts. > >> >> First of all it looks like it's being a orphaned sub-project at the > >> TomEE > >> >> Project, so > >> >> yes this makes it valid to ask for a transfer, but who's gonna be the > >> main > >> >> maintainer for it? > >> >> Right now we have about already about 4 different subprojects of wich > >> only > >> >> one is really maintained > >> >> right now. EIK for example the main committer just vanished after the > >> >> sources had been moved. > >> >> I really don't want to end up with another orphaned sub-project in > the > >> >> karaf space, especially > >> >> since right now we're lacking some manpower. > >> >> > >> >> We still get enough votes for releases, that's a good sign. > >> >> On the other hand my gut feeling tells me we're having a decreasing > >> size of > >> >> active committers for about 6 to 9 Month. > >> >> But this is just my humble opinion, I really would love to be proven > >> wrong > >> >> :D > >> >> > >> >> regards, Achim > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> 2013/5/13 Romain Manni-Bucau <[email protected]> > >> >> > >> >> > Hi Charles, > >> >> > > >> >> > wonder if it shouldn't just be a subproject of Geronimo which is > >> already > >> >> a > >> >> > JavaEE/OSGi container on top of Karaf > >> >> > > >> >> > that said +1 to get it maintained (personally i don't have enough > >> time to > >> >> > support it as i try to do with TomEE) > >> >> > > >> >> > *Romain Manni-Bucau* > >> >> > *Twitter: @rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau>* > >> >> > *Blog: **http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/*< > >> >> > http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/> > >> >> > *LinkedIn: **http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau* > >> >> > *Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau* > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > 2013/5/13 Charles Moulliard <[email protected]> > >> >> > > >> >> > > Hi, > >> >> > > > >> >> > > Some weeks ago (thx to Romain and others) we have discussed about > >> >> KarafEE > >> >> > > future. This project which is until now part of Apache TomEE was > an > >> >> > attempt > >> >> > > to promote JEE concepts top of Karaf Multicontainer OSGI runtime > >> (using > >> >> > > OpenEJB, OpenJPA & OpenWebbeans). Unfortunately, it will not be > >> longer > >> >> > > maintained by TomEE contributors and should find a new home. > >> >> > > > >> >> > > This is mainly the reason why I contact Karaf Dev Team to > propose to > >> >> > > submit to a vote the following suggestions : > >> >> > > [1] : Moving KarafEE code from Apache TomEE to KarafEE as a > >> subproject > >> >> > > [2] : Propose that KarafEE becomes a Karaf subproject supporting > >> OSGI > >> >> EE > >> >> > > Features (JTA, JPA, EJB, CDI, ...) > >> >> > > > >> >> > > If everybody agree and both votes succeed, then I propose to > >> >> orchestrate > >> >> > > the work of moving the code from TomEE to KarafEE, creating doc > >> pages > >> >> > > describing goals of the projects, ... > >> >> > > > >> >> > > Regards, > >> >> > > > >> >> > > -- > >> >> > > Charles Moulliard > >> >> > > Apache Committer / Sr. Enterprise Architect (RedHat) > >> >> > > Twitter : @cmoulliard | Blog : http://cmoulliard.blogspot.com > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> > >> >> Apache Karaf <http://karaf.apache.org/> Committer & PMC > >> >> OPS4J Pax Web <http://wiki.ops4j.org/display/paxweb/Pax+Web/> > >> Committer & > >> >> Project Lead > >> >> OPS4J Pax for Vaadin < > http://team.ops4j.org/wiki/display/PAXVAADIN/Home > >> > > >> >> Commiter & Project Lead > >> >> blog <http://notizblog.nierbeck.de/> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Charles Moulliard > >> > Apache Committer / Sr. Enterprise Architect (RedHat) > >> > Twitter : @cmoulliard | Blog : http://cmoulliard.blogspot.com > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> James > >> ------- > >> Red Hat > >> > >> Email: [email protected] > >> Web: http://fusesource.com > >> Twitter: jstrachan, fusenews > >> Blog: http://macstrac.blogspot.com/ > >> > >> Open Source Integration > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Charles Moulliard > > Apache Committer / Sr. Enterprise Architect (RedHat) > > Twitter : @cmoulliard | Blog : http://cmoulliard.blogspot.com > > > > -- > James > ------- > Red Hat > > Email: [email protected] > Web: http://fusesource.com > Twitter: jstrachan, fusenews > Blog: http://macstrac.blogspot.com/ > > Open Source Integration > -- Charles Moulliard Apache Committer / Sr. Enterprise Architect (RedHat) Twitter : @cmoulliard | Blog : http://cmoulliard.blogspot.com
