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[1] - https://github.com/apache/incubator-kie-issues/discussions/905

On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 8:04 AM Alex Porcelli <a...@porcelli.me> wrote:
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> Topic: KIE Weekly Meeting
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> On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 6:50 AM ricardo zanini fernandes
> <ricardozan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > If we have the necessary resources to have a pro account, +1
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 31, 2024 at 10:31 AM Alex Porcelli <a...@porcelli.me> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm willing to have a Zoom Pro account that allows co-hosts that I can
> > > assign to PPMC members (not sure if there's a limit or not) - if we
> > > agree to use it.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jan 30, 2024 at 4:06 PM ricardo zanini fernandes
> > > <ricardozan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I think Zulip can work too :D
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jan 30, 2024 at 4:57 PM Alex Porcelli <a...@porcelli.me> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > It forces to have slack account, which is a bit cumbersome to get.
> > > > >
> > > > > There’s also the fact that slack huddle is not easy to schedule and
> > > has a
> > > > > low number of max users.
> > > > >
> > > > > Can’t be recorded afaik.
> > > > >
> > > > > But it’s a valid option, one that we don’t need any private account
> > > setup
> > > > > other than slack.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Jan 30, 2024 at 2:49 PM Jason Porter <lightguar...@apache.org>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > The ASF slack instance? We could ask for a KIE channel and use
> > > Huddle.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 2024/01/30 17:42:50 Jan Šťastný wrote:
> > > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > > > Doesn't Zulip provide a video call option? I've seen also jitsi
> > > > > reference
> > > > > > > in there..
> > > > > > > But not sure about tech aspects.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > > Jan
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dne út 30. 1. 2024 15:02 uživatel Alex Porcelli <a...@porcelli.me>
> > > > > > napsal:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sounds like a good idea, Ricardo!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 30, 2024 at 8:40 AM ricardo zanini fernandes
> > > > > > > > <ricardozan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > We use the discussions tab on CNCF and it works pretty well:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > https://github.com/serverlessworkflow/specification/discussions/categories/meetings-notes
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 30, 2024 at 10:35 AM Tibor Zimányi <
> > > > > tzima...@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks Alex for clarification, +1 for Zoom from me then.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Tibir
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Dňa ut 30. 1. 2024, 14:05 Alex Porcelli <a...@porcelli.me>
> > > > > > napísal(a):
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I agree that it is less than ideal to have anything bound
> > > to a
> > > > > > > > personal
> > > > > > > > > > > account…
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I'd argue that all your suggestions will also require a
> > > > > personal
> > > > > > > > > > > account to create/manage.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I'm in contact with Apache Infra, but so far there's
> > > nothing
> > > > > > > > available.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > In regard to Jitsi, this is what I got from Infra "for a
> > > bit we
> > > > > > ran a
> > > > > > > > > > > Jitsi instance, but it was one of those things we were 
> > > > > > > > > > > just
> > > > > > testing
> > > > > > > > > > > out for ApacheCon. Ended up we'd need a huge instance 
> > > > > > > > > > > which
> > > > > > wasn't
> > > > > > > > > > > feasible to run." - I think we'd be better served with a
> > > more
> > > > > > > > > > > stablished vendor like Zoom. Google meet (personal) could
> > > be an
> > > > > > > > > > > option, but it might require a Google account to join, so
> > > not
> > > > > > ideal.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > > > > > _____________
> > > > > > > > > > > Alex Porcelli
> > > > > > > > > > > http://porcelli.me
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 30, 2024 at 2:45 AM Dominik Hanak <
> > > > > > domin.ha...@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > imho we should avoid binding the meeting to one person,
> > > this
> > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > create
> > > > > > > > > > > > problems in the future with hosting the meeting.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I would propose to have a public calendar ( sorry if we
> > > have
> > > > > > one,
> > > > > > > > > > please
> > > > > > > > > > > > send me a link) for our community e.g. `Apache KIE
> > > Calendar`
> > > > > > where
> > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > event is scheduled
> > > > > > > > > > > > and links to the meeting we choose.
> > > > > > > > > > > > I did read free google hangouts features and it seems as
> > > a
> > > > > > viable
> > > > > > > > > > option
> > > > > > > > > > > > for us too.
> > > > > > > > > > > > I like the Jitsi proposal from Tibor, that looks really
> > > > > > lightweight
> > > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > > everything we need. However I am not sure how much time
> > > we
> > > > > > need to
> > > > > > > > set
> > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > up.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > For storing meeting notes we could use a github repo.
> > > > > > > > > > > > For recordings I have no idea, is public google drive an
> > > > > > option?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Dominik
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 at 08:37, Tibor Zimányi <
> > > > > > tzima...@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry for typo, the name is Jitsi. Here is the link 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > their
> > > > > > > > webpage
> > > > > > > > > > > > > https://jitsi.org/
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tibor
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dňa ut 30. 1. 2024, 8:33 Tibor Zimányi <
> > > > > tzima...@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > napísal(a):
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Zoom is fine. Does anyone have experience with Jitsy
> > > > > > please?
> > > > > > > > It is
> > > > > > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > > > > > > open
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > source alternative and maybe they have some less
> > > strict
> > > > > > limits.
> > > > > > > > > > > However I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > never used it myself.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tibor
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dňa ut 30. 1. 2024, 8:17 Gabriele Cardosi <
> > > > > > > > > > > gabriele.card...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > napísal(a):
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> +1
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Il giorno mar 30 gen 2024 alle ore 00:48 Alex
> > > Porcelli <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > a...@porcelli.me>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> ha scritto:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > I'd like to propose to use for the weekly 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > meetings
> > > > > > something
> > > > > > > > > > > outside
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > the corporate infrastructure.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > My suggestion is to start with the free Zoom -
> > > which
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > > limited
> > > > > > > > > > > to 40
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > minutes. The downside is that it's associated
> > > with a
> > > > > > > > personal
> > > > > > > > > > > account,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > so if the host is not able to attend, we won't be
> > > able
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > meeting. (I'm already in contact with Apache
> > > > > Foundation
> > > > > > > > infra
> > > > > > > > > > > asking
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > if there's a better alternative).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > I'm still not sure what we could use for agenda
> > > and
> > > > > > > > minutes...
> > > > > > > > > > > also
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > open for suggestions!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > If we agree to move, I already created a meeting
> > > > > > scheduled
> > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> friday
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