PJ, Hibernate can’t be an optional dependency in our current codebase.
However, we are on top of Hibernate 7 upgrade, we are just waiting for it be part of a Quarkus LTS release (it’s supposed to happen soon with Quarkus 3.26). - Alex On Mon, Aug 11, 2025 at 7:47 AM PJ Fanning <fannin...@apache.org> wrote: > If Hibernate is optional and Apache KIE (Incubating) don't ship it in any > build artifacts (and users need to install it themselves) and hopefully, we > document this - then Hibernate seems ok to me. > Although, it would be nice to upgrade to Hibernate 7 because it has > changed to an Apache license. > > > On 2025/08/07 14:53:11 Francisco Javier Tirado Sarti wrote: > > Hi, > > If I understood second bullet properly, then, having into account that we > > have different persistence implementations (the user can use none, one of > > the implemented or one of his own) , I guess the Hibernate ( which is > just > > used by the JPA persistence module on Data Index, which, by itself, its > an > > optional application of runtimes) licensing issue is not really such big > > issue, isnt it? > > > > On Thu, Aug 7, 2025 at 4:34 PM PJ Fanning <fannin...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > > I do not see any exemption to ASF requirements based on a lib having > the > > > classpath exception. > > > https://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html > > > > > > Apologies, I had a couple of typos in my last mail. Here is the > corrected > > > version: > > > > > > Linking to GPL licensed libs is only ok if > > > * we don't ship the lib in our convenience binaries - users need to > > > install it themselves > > > * the KIE product should be able to work without the GPL lib - ie the > GPL > > > license lib usage is optional > > > > > > On 2025/08/07 13:11:31 PJ Fanning wrote: > > > > Linking to GPL licensed libs is only ok if > > > > * we don't ship the lib in out convenience binaries - users need to > > > install it themselves > > > > * the KIE product should work with the GPL lib - ie the GPL license > lib > > > usage is optional > > > > > > > > On 2025/07/23 14:20:31 Jason Porter wrote: > > > > > Okay, cool. As long as we’re all okay with the dependencies and how > > > they line up with ASF rules, I’m good. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Jason Porter > > > > > Software Engineer > > > > > He/Him/His > > > > > > > > > > IBM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Alex Porcelli <a...@porcelli.me> > > > > > Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2025 at 08:19 > > > > > To: dev@kie.apache.org <dev@kie.apache.org> > > > > > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [DISCUSSION][FYI] Use the external XML and > > > JSON Mapper libraries instead our internal copies > > > > > Those would be GPL with classpath exception, which is aligned with > JDK > > > itself. > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 23, 2025 at 10:15 AM Jason Porter > <jpor...@ibm.com.invalid> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Correct me if I’m wrong, but we’re not able to link to GPL > libraries > > > either. That was a sticking point with Hibernate. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Jason Porter > > > > > > Software Engineer > > > > > > He/Him/His > > > > > > > > > > > > IBM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Toni Rikkola <rikk...@apache.org> > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2025 at 01:53 > > > > > > To: dev@kie.apache.org <dev@kie.apache.org> > > > > > > Subject: [EXTERNAL] [DISCUSSION][FYI] Use the external XML and > JSON > > > Mapper libraries instead our internal copies > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > Currently we have XML and JSON Mapper libraries in KIE that are > > > > > > duplicates of identical libraries outside of our code base. The > > > reason > > > > > > for forking them in was likely due to an old requirement that we > > > need to > > > > > > control all the source at KIE, here at Apache or back at Red > Hat. At > > > > > > this moment this is not true, if it ever was. > > > > > > > > > > > > Problem is these libraries are licensed under GPL and if GPL is > used > > > > > > inside an ASL project it consumes everything and the project is > then > > > GPL. > > > > > > > > > > > > The plan is to remove our fork and use the originals with the GPL > > > > > > linking exception. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Related ticket: > > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-kie-tools/issues/3196 > > > > > > > > > > > > Related dev list thread: > > > > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread/gsj0mxkzwpcgwztz231tr6tnnx9kxd0g > > > > > > > > > > > > Linking exception: > > > > > > https://openjdk.org/legal/gplv2+ce.html > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPL_linking_exception > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Toni Rikkola > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@kie.apache.org > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@kie.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@kie.apache.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@kie.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@kie.apache.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@kie.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@kie.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@kie.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@kie.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@kie.apache.org > >
