On 2/8/06, J. Wolfgang Kaltz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thorsten Scherler schrieb:
> > El mié, 08-02-2006 a las 12:37 +0100, J. Wolfgang Kaltz escribió:
> > Ok, for me the above site is awesome and I agree as well on content item
> > because item = nugget. Nugget is just shorter as "ContentItem", why not
> > "Item". ;-)
> Because I think we should explicitly distinguish the items pertaining to
> content from the other things used in the CMS (dare I say "resources" ;)
> ): the CSS, XSLTs, maybe other things too (sitemaps ? plugins ?)

Agreed.

>  > The only thing still hurting me is the document. You say "a
> > Document is a collection of such pieces" so why not call it
> > "ContentCollection" or "collection"?
> That's conceivable too, at least for our internal terminology, but we
> need something for external terminology in any case. "Document" IMO is
> more user-oriented, it is the information presented to the consumer. The
> consumer doesn't care that the document may actually be structured in
> several pieces. But the authoring user may need to be aware of that:
> which piece do I want to edit now ? With which tool (according to the
> type of the piece, different tools may be available) ? Am I authorized
> to edit this piece of information, or is this one reserved for the
> senior author (for example a start page, containing news which one
> person may edit, but also a company vision or something, which only the
> senior author may edit) ?
>
> So, my opinion: use "Document" to refer to that which is presented to
> the consumer of the site. Since we need a term for that internally too,
> might as well use the same one (though ContentCollection could be used
> here, too). Use "ContentItem" for the individual pieces used in a
> "Document". An end-user will never see that terminology, but an author
> may (if the document consists of several pieces)

Again, "Document" is an "XML Document", an internal unit of storage. 
A "Page" is "that which is presented to the consumer of the site."  Go
ask anybody (a parent, a child, the village idiot) what they see on a
website, and they will answer "a page".

When did someone start referring to Pages as Documents?  Lenya has
never displayed Documents; it has always used Documents as input to
create Pages.

solprovider

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