Thorsten Scherler wrote:
Hi all,
lately I am concerned about our community.
I see many strong individuals that have different philosophies about the
way this project should work and how we should develop our code.
This normally is not a problem for other projects here on Apache because
people just swallow their ego and trying to find a consensus on a
project base. In the sense of what is best for the *PROJECT* (!!!), here
it seems very different.
Instead of reaching a consensus it seems some people just do their own
thing and not care too much about the opinion of this community. Latest
examples is our guideline discussion that just stopped because we could
not get a consensus in starting it. This is quite typical for this
project, someone rejects a proposed way, regardless that she is alone in
this rejection, and then the whole issue does not get touched for the
next three month.
well, I don't think it's 3 months since then and I would argue in my case
that I would have more time to help on the guidelines if I wouldn't have
to fix stuff which got broken ...
Re the guidelines in particular my point was that we start with a clean
sheet and use the Forrest guidelines
for inspiration so I don't see any reason why we cannot progress there
step by step, e.g. starting with an index/contents.
Another phenomenon is the lenya fork that some committer are developing
outside of the ASF.
what forks? You might want to be explicite on this.
IMO that is very scary, but I see this as
consequence of a week community that is not able to find consensus. It
seems that we prefer to go the way of least resistance. I would like to
have a branch for the fork here in our code base. This way we all can
review the work and hopefully enhance usability.
IMO we *all* need to get a grip and try to solve this problem. We cannot
waste resources in having endless discussions or having good ideas in a
non ASF fork.
again, what fork?
How can we solve this problem?
by listening to each other and not just doing stuff with high potential
of breaking things without discussing it beforehand. This is what really
destroys a community.
Also I think one needs to be aware that a "democracy" can get stuck and
one shouldn't be frustrated by this, but rather one
should re-collect and then try it again from another angle.
Also I think the Lenya community should think about what meritocracy
actually means within this community and why
Lenya exists. If we don't find consensus on this, then we will never be
able to get along and move "beyond".
Michi
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