>- see footer for list info -< Jo-burg? Full time? -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Matthew Horn Sent: 20 February 2007 10:46 To: Coldfusion Development Subject: RE: [CF-Dev] OT: Developer Vacancies
>- see footer for list info -< anyone wanna come work in South Africa? we wont give you a test :) no really - we need some CF guys here pronto -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rich Wild Sent: 20 February 2007 12:39 PM To: Coldfusion Development Subject: Re: [CF-Dev] OT: Developer Vacancies >- see footer for list info -< I was made to parse a poorly constructed 100Mb xml file into tables in mssql using only text manipulation functions in CF5 for a job interview. It took me an entire day. The interview itself lasted 25 minutes. Bah. My girlfriend told me afterwards that it wasn't so much a test as they couldn't get anyone else in-house to do it. I got the job. stoopid employers. On 2/20/07, Adam Cameron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >- see footer for list info -< > Hi Marcos > I agree regarding "writing code on bits of paper", but I disagree with > the notion that giving a test in the first interview is stupid. I need > to hire CF developers, and decent ones. And the best way to judge > whether they're any good is to test them. I'm not going to sit there > saying "so, Marcos, tell me about CFCs". THAT is stupid. I can gauge > someone's overall CF abilities by a few well-targetted questions. To > achive the same end as a conversation would take all day. > > Personally I don't think there's any point in having any more than one > interview anyhow. One cannot tell any more from a second interview that > should not have been apparent from the first interview. > > -- > Adam > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marcos Placona > Sent: 20 February 2007 10:04 > To: Coldfusion Development > Subject: Re: [CF-Dev] OT: Developer Vacancies > > >- see footer for list info -< > You have the same opinion I have. Tests in the first interview and with > code written in a paper are STUPID! But most of the companies still do. > > Cheers > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Shearer (lists)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Coldfusion Development" <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 9:45 AM > Subject: Re: [CF-Dev] OT: Developer Vacancies > > > > >- see footer for list info -< > > I've never asked any of my interviewees to write code on paper - that > > would > > be stupid. > > > > Also I never ask anyone to do a test on the first interview - it's a > waste > > of time if the interview is very very bad ;) > > > > One of the things I also do, is to sit them with my team during the > test, > > allowing them access to the internet and access to the team if they > need > > to > > ask anything. > > > > You wouldn't believe how much of an eye opener it is to see someone's > > internet history after a test :) > > > > > > On 20/02/07, Marcos Placona <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> >- see footer for list info -< > >> In my opinion it really depends. I used to give simple CF tests in > the > >> interviews. When I say simple, I mean simple, nothing like: Solve > this > >> maze > >> and write your CF code below. That's RIDICULOUS. How do you ask > someone > >> to > >> write code in a piece of paper? My tests where all based on the > >> developer's > >> point of view, where they had to explain in a few lines (written > lines, > >> not > >> coded lines) why did they have that opinion. > >> > >> When it was time to test CF Skills, I'd just give'em some multiple > >> choices > >> questions. Again, I would never ask a developer to write me some code > in > >> a > >> piece of paper. If I wanted code, I would just sit the developer in a > >> workstation. > >> > >> It might be just me, but it feels really uncomfortable when you go > for > >> the > >> first interview. You don't know the company very well, you don't know > >> people > >> there very well, and you have all that pressure to do your best, and > >> suddenly someone asks you to write some code in a piece of paper. > That > >> sucks! > >> > >> Marcos Placona > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Tom Shearer (lists)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: "Coldfusion Development" <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 8:49 AM > >> Subject: Re: [CF-Dev] OT: Developer Vacancies > >> > >> > >> > >- see footer for list info -< > >> > Really... > >> > > >> > I should point out that there are some blatant liars out there ;) > I've > >> had > >> > people come through the door with 5+ years of experience and fail a > >> simple > >> > test in cf... ;) > >> > > >> > > >> > On 20/02/07, Mark Woods <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >- see footer for list info -< > >> >> > great to see demand for CF developers!!! > >> >> > >> >> Not if you're an employer - we gave up listing CF experience as a > >> >> requirement for what amount to CF dev jobs long ago. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Mark > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> > >> >> For details on ALL mailing lists and for joining or leaving lists, > go > >> to > >> >> http://list.cfdeveloper.co.uk/mailman/listinfo > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> CFDeveloper Sponsors:- > >> >> >- cfdeveloper Hosting provided by www.cfmxhosting.co.uk -< > >> >> >- Lists hosted by www.Gradwell.com -< > >> >> >- CFdeveloper is run by Russ Michaels, feel free to volunteer > your > >> help > >> >> -< > >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > > >> > For details on ALL mailing lists and for joining or leaving lists, > go > >> > to > >> > http://list.cfdeveloper.co.uk/mailman/listinfo > >> > > >> > -- > >> > CFDeveloper Sponsors:- > >> >>- cfdeveloper Hosting provided by www.cfmxhosting.co.uk -< > >> >>- Lists hosted by www.Gradwell.com -< > >> >>- CFdeveloper is run by Russ Michaels, feel free to volunteer your > help > >> -< > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> For details on ALL mailing lists and for joining or leaving lists, go > to > >> http://list.cfdeveloper.co.uk/mailman/listinfo > >> > >> -- > >> CFDeveloper Sponsors:- > >> >- cfdeveloper Hosting provided by www.cfmxhosting.co.uk -< > >> >- Lists hosted by www.Gradwell.com -< > >> >- CFdeveloper is run by Russ Michaels, feel free to volunteer your > help > >> -< > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > > > For details on ALL mailing lists and for joining or leaving lists, go > to > > http://list.cfdeveloper.co.uk/mailman/listinfo > > > > -- > > CFDeveloper Sponsors:- > >>- cfdeveloper Hosting provided by www.cfmxhosting.co.uk -< > >>- Lists hosted by www.Gradwell.com -< > >>- CFdeveloper is run by Russ Michaels, feel free to volunteer your > help -< > > _______________________________________________ > > For details on ALL mailing lists and for joining or leaving lists, go to > http://list.cfdeveloper.co.uk/mailman/listinfo > > -- > CFDeveloper Sponsors:- > >- cfdeveloper Hosting provided by www.cfmxhosting.co.uk -< > >- Lists hosted by www.Gradwell.com -< > >- CFdeveloper is run by Russ Michaels, feel free to volunteer your help > -< > _______________________________________________ > > For details on ALL mailing lists and for joining or leaving lists, go to > http://list.cfdeveloper.co.uk/mailman/listinfo > > -- > CFDeveloper Sponsors:- > >- cfdeveloper Hosting provided by www.cfmxhosting.co.uk -< > >- Lists hosted by www.Gradwell.com -< > >- CFdeveloper is run by Russ Michaels, feel free to volunteer your help > -< > _______________________________________________ For details on ALL mailing lists and for joining or leaving lists, go to http://list.cfdeveloper.co.uk/mailman/listinfo -- CFDeveloper Sponsors:- >- cfdeveloper Hosting provided by www.cfmxhosting.co.uk -< >- Lists hosted by www.Gradwell.com -< >- CFdeveloper is run by Russ Michaels, feel free to volunteer your help -< _______________________________________________ For details on ALL mailing lists and for joining or leaving lists, go to http://list.cfdeveloper.co.uk/mailman/listinfo -- CFDeveloper Sponsors:- >- cfdeveloper Hosting provided by www.cfmxhosting.co.uk -< >- Lists hosted by www.Gradwell.com -< >- CFdeveloper is run by Russ Michaels, feel free to volunteer your help -< _______________________________________________ For details on ALL mailing lists and for joining or leaving lists, go to http://list.cfdeveloper.co.uk/mailman/listinfo -- CFDeveloper Sponsors:- >- cfdeveloper Hosting provided by www.cfmxhosting.co.uk -< >- Lists hosted by www.Gradwell.com -< >- CFdeveloper is run by Russ Michaels, feel free to volunteer your help -<
