yes I am on side there...
all the questions here get answered and that does make it a good list but
some times the 'banter' gets a little much and if you read a few lists (like
me) the banter does tend to put them lower on the must read/respond adgenda
if they start to get too much...

chat lists are great for that...
actualy things like the monthly piss up in london town do a lot for
developer comradary..

L.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paolo Piponi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 5:44 PM
Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] quiet


> I agree.
>
> And I don't agree that chat puts people off. I think chat makes the list
> appear more open and there's nothing worse than a list where you post a
> question and it is not answered at all.
>
> This is a very good list.
>
> Paolo
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rich Wild [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: 20 August 2002 17:18
> > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> > Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] quiet
> >
> >
> > there's quality help in this dev list.
> >
> > there may be the odd chatter e-mail but thats more than made
> > up for by the
> > breadth of CF/JS/Flash/Hosting/Systems/SQL/HTML/style
> > knowledge thats in
> > here, and thats invaluable. Its quite common to have questions in here
> > answered in more depth, with better language and quicker than
> > CF-Talk etc...
> > There's very rarely a question that goes unanswered in here.
> >
> > now [EMAIL PROTECTED] - thats where the real
> > craziness lies.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Paolo Piponi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: 20 August 2002 17:31
> > > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> > > Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] quiet
> > >
> > >
> > > People chat on this list because often it is very quiet.
> > > However, when I've
> > > needed help I've always found an answer from you guys. It's
> > > not the busiest
> > > list, but it's certainly well supported. I'd rather have a
> > > small group of
> > > wise developers than a large groups of hit and miss teens.
> > >
> > > On the subject of CF growth: The fact there are more sites
> > > might just be
> > > because as time goes by more sites are created, not because there is
> > > proportionally greater demand. CF is definately bigger than
> > > it was 2 years
> > > ago, but I'd be dubious about growth from 12 months ago.
> > >
> > > However, I await more stats from the guys in the know.
> > >
> > > Paolo
> > >
> > > PS This message in not on chat because I think it's relevant
> > > to this list.
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Russ 'Snake' Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: 20 August 2002 17:07
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] quiet
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > that's why we have the chat list.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Lucas Sherwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: 20 August 2002 17:03
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] quiet
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > just throwing in my two cents worth...
> > > >
> > > > the main thing that scares people about this list is the
> > > > signal to noise
> > > > ratio... there is often useless banter between a small group
> > > > of people that
> > > > barrage people wiht mails - this tends to turn people off (IMHO)
> > > >
> > > > L.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Paolo Piponi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 4:45 PM
> > > > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> > > > Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] quiet
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well, looking at my email history that contains all 18653
> > > > items on this list
> > > > since July 1999, most people mail less than 10 times. Then
> > > > there's a small
> > > > group who have mailed between 200 and 1200. I've mailed 267
> > > > (now 268). The
> > > > top mailers, of course, have mailed over 1200. With an
> > > > estimate of say 50
> > > > words per email that means some of you have mailed the
> > > > equivalent of an
> > > > average novel.
> > > >
> > > > Unfortunately, as my job hunting has proved, all CF
> > > > Developers are probably
> > > > already on this list, since there's little demand for CF.
> > > > Thankfully, we've
> > > > pulled off a deal, my job is safe, and I am no longer on
> > the agency
> > > > scrounge.
> > > >
> > > > What we probably need are more CF users. What's the news on
> > > CF growth
> > > > generally, compared to ASP/.NET? (Russ, no comments from you
> > > > :-) Has CF got
> > > > any chance?
> > > >
> > > > Paolo
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Russ 'Snake' Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > Sent: 20 August 2002 16:03
> > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] quiet
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > have to get some more people on here then.
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Matt Horn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > Sent: 20 August 2002 16:01
> > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Subject: Re: [ cf-dev ] quiet
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > They call this place
> > > > >
> > > > > Tumbleweed list
> > > > >
> > > > > if you listen VERY closely you can almost hear it blow by
> > > > >
> > > > > the developers .. they were here
> > > > > but now .. they have all gone to Chat
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > At 15:50 20/08/02 +0100, you wrote:
> > > > > >This list has become very quiet of late.
> > > > > >
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