yes, Q/A time is longer, but only for the compliancy testing, which may be optional. You could develop a site, state that you will meet WAI guidlines, but leave off the compliance testing and tell a client that it is their responsibility to test this (if they don't want to include it in the estimate). The bottom line is that telling a customer that your estimate is for development of a site or application and that at your company there are enforced coding standards which tend to meet WAI requirements in most scenarios, that may be enough. Remmber, customers like buzzwords and low costs... you can safely use the buzzword and not drive-up the cost, which may be the difference between you getting or losing a contract.
~Simon Simon Horwith CTO, Etrilogy Ltd. Member of Team Macromedia Macromedia Certified Instructor Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Certified Flash MX Developer CFDJList - List Administrator http://www.how2cf.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Rich Wild [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 January 2004 14:43 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] Job Opening (London) hmm, but you said it takes extra time testing it, which is certainly the case. How can that not ramp up an estimate? Unless "very much" is a relative term. > -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Horwith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 07 January 2004 14:37 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] Job Opening (London) > > > definitely. I just wanted to clarify that if a customerr > asks for an estimate and they are concerned about WAI > compliance, it should not drive your estimate up very much. > Also, if you have an understanding of what it takes to make a > site WAI compliant, being able to tell a potential client > that your estimate/proposal is for a WAI compliant site, > might mean the difference between their choosing your > services over the competition! > > ~Simon > > Simon Horwith > CTO, Etrilogy Ltd. > Member of Team Macromedia > Macromedia Certified Instructor > Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer > Certified Flash MX Developer > CFDJList - List Administrator > http://www.how2cf.com/ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Harrison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 07 January 2004 14:33 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] Job Opening (London) > > > It really boils down to the customer's choice. > > - Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Horwith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 07 January 2004 14:04 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] Job Opening (London) > > > like I said - definitely check out those articles. They > outline the answers to the question of who this effects very > well. It also addesses how to make code WAI compliant... > which does not really take as long as you'd think... not if > you account for it in the begining and have some coding > standards in place. Anyone who tells you it takes a lot more > man-hour time to develop something that is WAI compliant is > just wrong. What does take a little bit longer is Q/A... > obviously if you want to comply with something (WAI or ANY > OTHER STANDARD OUT THERE) it is going to mean testing to make > sure you comply. The actual coding bit doesn't have to take > much (or any) longer. There are also, like I said, a bunch of > standard practices you can use that will tend to result in > compliant code. > > ~Simon > > Simon Horwith > CTO, Etrilogy Ltd. > Member of Team Macromedia > Macromedia Certified Instructor > Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer > Certified Flash MX Developer > CFDJList - List Administrator > http://www.how2cf.com/ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: EWS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 07 January 2004 13:54 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [ cf-dev ] Job Opening (London) > > > Guys, > > Just wading through the WAI for valid information regarding > my former employers clients that I wnat to poach (sorry, new > clients that have nothing to do with my former employer but > want accessibility). What is the law regarding commercial / > eCommerce sites as it stands now. I am confused over legality > and whether it is discrimination yet if an ecommerce site is > not accessible. > > the act seems to say that anybody providing a service to the > public. does this mean eCommerce sites? > > On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 13:26:51 -0000, Paul Fennell > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > http://www.w3.org/WAI/ :) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rich Wild [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 07 January 2004 13:20 > > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > > Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] Job Opening (London) > > > > is it any coincidence that WAI sounds like "why?" > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Adrian Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Sent: 07 January 2004 13:17 > >> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > >> Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] Job Opening (London) > >> > >> > >> I da know, read the job description, I work here already :OP > > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Rich Wild [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Sent: 07 January 2004 13:09 > >> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > >> Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] Job Opening (London) > >> > >> > >> er.. yes. > >> > >> (whats WAI mean?) > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Adrian Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > Sent: 07 January 2004 13:09 > >> > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > >> > Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] Job Opening (London) > >> > > >> > > >> > Yeah, but is he WAI compliant? > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Peter Harrison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > Sent: 07 January 2004 13:04 > >> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] Job Opening (London) > >> > > >> > > >> > He's da McDonalds of Potatochop! > >> > > >> > - Peter > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Adrian Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > Sent: 07 January 2004 12:59 > >> > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > >> > Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] Job Opening (London) > >> > > >> > > >> > Why, are you a dab hand at Photoshop? :O) > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Rich Wild [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > Sent: 07 January 2004 08:43 > >> > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > >> > Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] Job Opening (London) > >> > > >> > > >> > hmmm. good timing. > >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > From: Adrian Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > > Sent: 06 January 2004 17:58 > >> > > To: Cfug Dev List (E-mail) > >> > > Subject: [ cf-dev ] Job Opening (London) > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > http://www.thoughtbubble.com/vacancies/ > >> > > > >> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > > - > >> > > Adrian Lynch > >> > > Web Application Developer > >> > > Thoughtbubble Ltd > >> > > Full Service Agency > >> > > > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > > <http://www.thoughtbubble.com> > >> > > Tel: +44 (0) 20 7387 8890 (ex. 23) > >> > > Fax: +44 (0) 20 7383 2220 > >> > > > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > > The information in this email and in any attachments is > >> > > confidential and intended solely for the attention and > use of the > >> > > named addressee(s). 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