Hi everyone, I'll just give my experience as an average user -- not a total newbie, not a guru. I'm quite used to (and enjoy) cli install, however I understand that for a first attempt, it's puzzling. Some of my feedback might reflect lack of knowledge of stuff that makes it easier, but if I don't it, others might as well.
Megver83 <[email protected]> writes: > Good thing to point out, I was going to mention that. But bill-auger > already answered that question: Parabola is a very attractive libre > distro, up-to-date, stable, and awesome :) +1. Except the recurring and quite easy to fix keys issues, it's very light on maintenance. > so any newbie to the GNU/Linux world might want sth. more > user-friendly, but at the same time, with updated software (for better > compatibility, test new software, etc.), which distro offers you that > option? none (at least from the FSF-endorsed). I would not mention > Trisquel if I talk about updated software. It's a personal point of view, but I find rolling release easier even for beginners. For sure, you may run in small glitches more often, but I've always had difficulties with debian version upgrades. I don't find the explanations in the debian release notes much easier than the Parabola install. > So being a bit more user-friendly with the installation is like a big > step for newbies, there's a lot of people who do not use Parabola for > the same reason, or simply install Manjaro and then migrate to > Parabola, but there's nothing better than a fresh install :D > > Plus, no one says that we should leave CLI aside, we can have both, a > CLI ISO and a GUI one. One difficulty in the install process, is that unless you know it by heart, you need the install guide. I still need it after several installs. I open it on my phone while installing on a computer. But it's not very convenient. Besides, some steps are described on another page, so one has to follow links. On a fresh install in a cli-based browser, it's an additional challenge for beginners. Also, when one first installs GNU+Linux coming from the proprietary world, one faces many choices: separate partitions or not, which size, lvm or not, which desktop manager. Learning all that takes quite some time, and install might not be the best one. Especially since one does not easily know the severity of a wrong choice. That makes a lot to grasp the first time, and can prevent people who don't have much time from trying. I started learning when I was a student. If I had to start now that I work, I couldn't do that first step. However, the diy philosophy shouldn't be abandoned, especially if it was at the root of the project. I don't know if it's feasible, but a compromise could be a 2 panes tmux or screen. In one of them would be a cli based install similar to debian, but that shows you the command before running it, and in the other one the install guide page for this step. It seems to me that this would remain close to the diy aspect, since the user would have to take the decisions, while assisting new users in understanding the process, and remaining in the cli, which I believe is important and fun to keep. > > El 06/07/17 a las 13:39, fauno escribió: >> Megver83 <[email protected]> writes: >> >>> Before I started with the branding, I look for the issue in the bug >>> tracker and found your version of Calamares for Parabola. I've not >>> compiled it, but I could do soon, to compare yours and mine fork. >>> Anyways, we can work together instead of working separately. >> >> sorry to throw cold water at it, but do we really need graphical >> installers for parabola? isn't the point to learn to diy a gnu/linux >> os? :) >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dev mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev >> > > _______________________________________________ > Dev mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev _______________________________________________ Dev mailing list [email protected] https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
