Hi All,
Sorry to hijack the thread.
I am a newbie in mahout community - please pardon my words if anyone finds
them unsuitable.

Its really strange to see such heated discussions between the Big Shots on
the mailing lists.
I am absolute beginner in this space and it does not leave a very good
impression about the open source community itself.

What I believe is - Open Source is about love of code and all awesome
coders coming together - designing some of the coolest code projects on the
planet as one *strong team*. Lets not break this belief of newbies. We are
learning from you guys.

The avengers should not fight.

Best Regards,
Yash




On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 10:06 PM, Dmitriy Lyubimov <dlie...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Well, let me tell my impression.
>
> Remember, we started  talking impressions here all over the place, not
> facts. So *don't ask me to prove anything.*
>
> i have an impression that mr. Dunning has masterfully concealed a very
> targeted insult in his carefully worded statement with the sole purpose of
> forcing certain participants to go into defensive and to turn a technical
> discussion into trading insults, in which he has obviously partially
> succeeded.
>
> I have an impression this has not been an isolated incident on mr.
> Dunning's part in the past, and i have strong suspicion that it was the
> wrong balance of technical merit and posturing in the project that drove
> more than one accomplished committer or candidate out in the past.
>
> I also have been receiving an impression that  I am  next such target on
> mr. Dunnings part just because my arguments are not technically favorable
> where he needs them to be favorable for whatever other-than-technical
> reason. I love the code in the project, that's in part why i am candid in
> its discussions, but it is repeated agrumentum ad hominem  from mr. Dunning
> that is very close to driving me out. And I don't think beers can smooth
> that.
>
> As for welcoming, well, h2o  is not exactly new topic here. I also think we
> need to have some bar for proposals to meet regardless of being welcoming.
>
> Finally, I have an impression everybody has areas where they possess  less
> than brilliant expertise; i actually like to say about myself that "it
> pains me how little i know". I have no problem identifying areas of
> weaknesses in myself publicly and don't consider this to be offensive,
> since i know that the only way to improve  knowledge is to first know where
> it is lacking. I am very perceptive to strong logical argument regardless
> if it fits my current world view or not. But I am particularly not fond of
> rhetorical fallacies, informal ones in particular. I am not very fond of
> marketing bluff or empty PR.  It is a personal choice whether you accept
> that mindset or not, but grading areas of weakness is not an insult. That's
> what they do in universities all the time, after all.
>

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