I would agree and would second not wanting to hijack the discussion, I'm not a
newbie to mahout but to be frank I've seen this tone from committers when
evaluating or describing ideas or when judging new work that someone wants to
contribute , I would also add that code committs can and should come in from
anyone and be judged fairly without immediate and early dismissal of ideas.
Frankly I'm interested in committing just for the purposes of learning and the
general tone of this discussion is not encouraging to folks interested in
shaping/using/adding to mahout for the future.
My 2 cents.
> From: yash...@gmail.com
> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 22:39:49 +0530
> Subject: Re: H2O integration - intermediate progress update
> To: dev@mahout.apache.org
>
> Hi All,
> Sorry to hijack the thread.
> I am a newbie in mahout community - please pardon my words if anyone finds
> them unsuitable.
>
> Its really strange to see such heated discussions between the Big Shots on
> the mailing lists.
> I am absolute beginner in this space and it does not leave a very good
> impression about the open source community itself.
>
> What I believe is - Open Source is about love of code and all awesome
> coders coming together - designing some of the coolest code projects on the
> planet as one *strong team*. Lets not break this belief of newbies. We are
> learning from you guys.
>
> The avengers should not fight.
>
> Best Regards,
> Yash
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 10:06 PM, Dmitriy Lyubimov <dlie...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Well, let me tell my impression.
> >
> > Remember, we started talking impressions here all over the place, not
> > facts. So *don't ask me to prove anything.*
> >
> > i have an impression that mr. Dunning has masterfully concealed a very
> > targeted insult in his carefully worded statement with the sole purpose of
> > forcing certain participants to go into defensive and to turn a technical
> > discussion into trading insults, in which he has obviously partially
> > succeeded.
> >
> > I have an impression this has not been an isolated incident on mr.
> > Dunning's part in the past, and i have strong suspicion that it was the
> > wrong balance of technical merit and posturing in the project that drove
> > more than one accomplished committer or candidate out in the past.
> >
> > I also have been receiving an impression that I am next such target on
> > mr. Dunnings part just because my arguments are not technically favorable
> > where he needs them to be favorable for whatever other-than-technical
> > reason. I love the code in the project, that's in part why i am candid in
> > its discussions, but it is repeated agrumentum ad hominem from mr. Dunning
> > that is very close to driving me out. And I don't think beers can smooth
> > that.
> >
> > As for welcoming, well, h2o is not exactly new topic here. I also think we
> > need to have some bar for proposals to meet regardless of being welcoming.
> >
> > Finally, I have an impression everybody has areas where they possess less
> > than brilliant expertise; i actually like to say about myself that "it
> > pains me how little i know". I have no problem identifying areas of
> > weaknesses in myself publicly and don't consider this to be offensive,
> > since i know that the only way to improve knowledge is to first know where
> > it is lacking. I am very perceptive to strong logical argument regardless
> > if it fits my current world view or not. But I am particularly not fond of
> > rhetorical fallacies, informal ones in particular. I am not very fond of
> > marketing bluff or empty PR. It is a personal choice whether you accept
> > that mindset or not, but grading areas of weakness is not an insult. That's
> > what they do in universities all the time, after all.
> >
