Bernhard, Thank you for having the courage to spell this out so plainly.
I have been involved with the OpenOffice.org project for years as a volunteer and as a SUN intern, beign both a contributer in multiple projects, a marketing contact, and a co-lead in a project, and to my knowledge I have never acted contrary to it's interests in any of the positions I have held in the community. Nobody here does OpenOffice.org and only OpenOffice.org full time, so everyone has room for conflicts of interest. Like many other people who contribute here, OOo is not the only place I donate my energies, another place that I am actively involved is the Open Document Fellowship. This does not mean I have lost interest in OOo, and I don't believe this constitutes any more of a conflict of interest than working for a company that implements a closed-source OOo derivative (eg. SUN, IBM, etc) in that it is overlapping, but different. I still want OOo to succeed and am willing to work for it. As a Marcon, part of how I interpret my role is to investigate conferences in my area, issue calls for volunteers/funding for them, and if that is unsuccessful, decide whether or not it is worth it to attend personally from my own funds or by securing sponsorship. I am trying to do this to the best of my ability with DLS, because it is important enough to me to see OOo succeed and to be a part of that to spend my own time and money. I understand that many people on these lists don't like the Open Document Fellowship. I ask that those people not hold those grievances against me in my capacity as an OOo Marketing Contact. I foresee this being a very tough job if they do. Ryan On 12/16/05, Bernhard Dippold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello Charles, everybody, > > > I try to take into account not only your but some others answers as > well... > > Charles-H.Schulz wrote: > > Hello Bernhard, > > > > Bernhard Dippold wrote: > > > > [...] > >> > >> 1) What is the interest of ODF and OOo? What are the > >> differences between them? Where do they overlap? > >> > >> > > > > I'll put it simply: ODF is the default file format used by > > OOo.[...] In the same way, the OD Fellowship advertises the ODF, > > so while some of its advocacy may overlap the one for OOo, it is > > still not the same and we should not mix the two. What's more the > > OD Fellowship is one group among others advertising ODF. > > Sorry for not being clear enough - with ODF I meant the OpenDocument > Fellowship, not the OpenDocument Format (I know what the format is > about). > > The problem here seems to be, that all the people active in the > OpenDocument Fellowship are no longer regarded as representatives of > OpenOffice.org (at least by some important marketing and project > members). > > I don't really know what stands behind these unexpressed reproaches > - but I think they should be pronounced (among the affected people > or with some kind of moderator). I doubt that these problems are > mainly based on different opinions about how marketing works - so I > don't think this list is the appropriate place for them. They (or we > - if there is any interest) should talk in a smaller circle offlist. > > > > > >> 2) Who is able to represent OOo (the community)? > >> > > > > I don't understand your question: who is able to represent us > > where and for what? > > I try to be clearer here too - even if there have been some answers > pointing at the direction I thought about: > > I think a MarCon may decide on his own if he/she will attend a fair > as OOo representative - of course the OOo principles should be > followed, but all the people in such positions should be trusted by > the community (or be asked to withdraw). > > The reason why someone is going to a fair is mainly to spread OOo - > of course, there may be some other points, but I think, we should > trust our MarCons to be able to differentiate between personal and > projects goals. > > I don't know if we need to define a minimum requirement for every > official OOo booth - every nat-lang project started with a laptop > and a OOo-logo on it's back. In my opinion it depends on the status > of the fair - but we have to keep in mind that OpenOffice.org has > been grown to a certain marketing position. If someone attends a > small exhibition with local developer or end-user audience he/she > doesn't need to have a 12 square meter booth with a banner of 3m > length. On business fairs this is quite a different thing. But even > this is taken in account by the MarCons, when they decide to go (or > send someone) to a fair or not. > > So my credo is: Trust our MarCons to act in the spirit of > OpenOffice.org - or vote officially against them. > > If we can't trust our local representatives we go on insulting and > menacing each other - and that's the reason why this list is not in > the state we want it to be. > > I know that there are people having personal problems with one or > another (may they be MarCons or not) - but without confidence in > everybody here, that he/she wants to further OpenOffice.org (even on > a different way), we will not be able to reach any goal together! > > Best regards > Bernhard > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- _________________ Ryan Singer
