+1 for hangouts. Jenkins tries to have a weekly project meeting (on IRC) and I think it is a good opportunity to discuss, involve contributors and follow the progress of the project (not only the code itself). Just don't forget one thing : Everyone doesn't speak english fluently and with the quality of hangout (or any other video/voice service) it cannot be always easy to attend such meeting. The most important parts are I think : * to schedule a recurring event to allow people to organize themselves to attend to it (even if it's not every week) * to have a light report/followup to be able to know what happened for all people who didn't join (that's why ML were preferred : async + history)
Cheers On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Igor Fedorenko <i...@ifedorenko.com> wrote: > +1 for hangouts. As much as I'd love to see the city and finally have a > drink with Tamas, I almost certainly won't be able to come to Budapest. > I am not sure I will be able to attend weekly hangouts (or bi-weekly or > any scheduled, really) but if somebody works on a specific feature I am > interested in, I will try to make time. This means agenda of the meeting > has to be provided upfront and ideally there should be specific proposal > to seed the discussion. > > -- > Regards, > Igor > > > On 2014-06-11, 9:32, Jason van Zyl wrote: > >> Generally in the last 13 years these types of meetings have resulted >> in very little other than people who are being paid to work on Maven. >> First it's not a trivial amount of money for many to travel across >> the world for a meeting and miss several days of work, even if you >> live in Europe. Second, having these big-bang, lets-change-the-world >> events have always dissipated out pretty fast. This is not cynicism, >> this is just observed fact over the years. If no one is working on >> basic maintenance and bug fixing then I highly doubt anything bigger >> is going to change. >> >> However, I do think that talking with others is orders of magnitude >> more productive than mailing lists, but we can start doing this today >> with a Google hangout. Having face-to-face meetings more often and >> discussing changes I think would be a positive step forward and >> doesn't require traveling around the world to accomplish. >> >> I am highly encouraged of late by the pull requests coming in for the >> core and right now that's the biggest avenue of change. I don't think >> we need to have grand, in person meetings to affect change. We've had >> recent significant contributions in m2e lately and I'm not sure why >> but I think we have to capitalize on that and do things that are >> easier for people like hangouts, and not things that are costly and >> time consuming like conferences. >> >> Personally I would love it if we had a weekly Google hangout to chat >> about Maven. I think that would have a chance of changing something. >> A big meeting at a conference having any real impact I think is close >> to zero based on my personal experience. Not that it isn't nice to >> meet with people and talk if you can, but trying to do planning for a >> project like this where many are immediately excluded by virtue of >> geography, time/money is not a great thing. > >> On Jun 11, 2014, at 1:53 AM, Kristian Rosenvold < >> kristian.rosenv...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I've been considering attending apachecon in Budapest, and I would be >>> really interested in creating a meet up to discuss "future maven" (for >>> one or more days). It would be interesting to see if we'd be capable >>> of using such an occasion to determine a little more about the "big >>> picture" future of maven, possibly even discuss a proper "4.0" release >>> and/or work through the reality of revised pom versions/formats. Like >>> a lot of us I seem to be having trouble finding time for more than >>> incremental (minor) improvements. It also seems like a lot of the >>> stuff on the current "4.0" list is quite minor stuff and I'd really >>> enjoy an occasion to investigate big changes :) >>> >>> Anyone else interested ? >>> >>> Kristian >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org >>> >>> >> Thanks, >> >> Jason >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------- >> Jason van Zyl >> Founder, Apache Maven >> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl >> http://twitter.com/takari_io >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> >> First, the taking in of scattered particulars under one Idea, >> so that everyone understands what is being talked about ... Second, >> the separation of the Idea into parts, by dividing it at the joints, >> as nature directs, not breaking any limb in half as a bad carver might. >> >> -- Plato, Phaedrus (Notes on the Synthesis of Form by C. Alexander) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org > > -- ----- Arnaud Héritier http://aheritier.net Mail/GTalk: aheritier AT gmail DOT com Twitter/Skype : aheritier
