If committers cannot "manage versions" with option 1, I think we
should do option 2,  since it would make the release process
increasingly complex for committers and increase the number of
interactions required.

Kristian

2015-04-11 15:10 GMT+02:00 Karl Heinz Marbaise <khmarba...@gmx.de>:
> Hi,
>
> On 4/11/15 2:26 PM, Hervé BOUTEMY wrote:
>>
>> ok, thanks for the feedback: we're in the right direction
>> I'll immediately change the configuration to every Jira project, since the
>> current SUREFIRE configuration lets committers work on daily basis, which
>> is
>> important!
>>
>>
>> then I just had a look at Jira documentation [1]
>>
>> and it seems managing versions is in "Administer Projects" permission,
>> like
>> other abilities:
>> "edit project role membership, project components, project versions and
>> some
>> project details ('Project Name', 'URL', 'Project Lead', 'Project
>> Description')"
>>
>> This means we now have 2 choices:
>>
>> 1. either give this ability only to PMC members, like it is done at the
>> moment: committers have a lot of freedom on issues, but not on projects:
>> if
>> they need a version or a component, they'll ask to PMC, like at the moment
>> on
>> other activities related to release management
>
>
> I would go with option 1 as well....we can see if much is comming than we
> might decide otherwise...
>
> Kind regards
> Karl Heinz Marbaise
>
>
>>
>> 2. or give the project administrator role to committers
>>
>> I like the second option, but the only associated ability that IMHO makes
>> this
>> decision debatable is "edit project role membership". I'll ask Mark if
>> this
>> one can be configured independently from the other ones
>>
>> If not, we'll have to make a choice.
>> IIUC, with current SUREFIRE configuration, that will be applied
>> immediately to
>> every project, we're not in a hurry: this is only a point to decide in the
>> near future, isn't it?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Hervé
>>
>> [1]
>> https://confluence.atlassian.com/display/JIRA/Managing+Project+Permissions
>>
>> Le samedi 11 avril 2015 12:09:03 Andreas Gudian a écrit :
>>>
>>> Hervé, it looks much better now, as far as issues are concerned: I can
>>> assign issues and edit all parts of them (including title and
>>> descrition).
>>> That's great :).
>>>
>>> But I still can't manage the versions, e.g. add new ones, mark them
>>> released, or add descriptions to them. As that is part of the stuff that
>>> needs to be done when releasing  something, I think that the Committers
>>> role should have the rights for that as well... Is that possible?
>>>
>>>
>>> Btw, I think that the work that you, Infra and Codehaus have put in for
>>> this is remarkable - a big thanks from me as well!
>>>
>>> 2015-04-11 1:38 GMT+02:00 Hervé BOUTEMY <herve.bout...@free.fr>:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Dan and Andreas, you're in maven-developers groups = what is expected
>>>>
>>>> Then if you can't do anything useful, yes, there is some part missing in
>>>> the
>>>> config: we'll need to figure out which one :)
>>>>
>>>> Currently, the pattern applied to the Maven projects regarding roles is:
>>>> - role Administrators = maven-administrators
>>>> - role Developers = maven-developers
>>>> which seems logical
>>>>
>>>> looking at Permissions, I see that most permissions are set on PMC and
>>>> Committers roles, but absolutely no permission is set on Developers
>>>> role:
>>>> I
>>>> thing it is the problem!
>>>>
>>>> To test another config on one project before doing it on every other,
>>>> let's try
>>>> on SUREFIRE:
>>>> I just configured role PMC for maven-administrators and role Committers
>>>> for
>>>> maven-developers
>>>>
>>>> Can you check what actions this lets you do and if somthing is still
>>>> missing,
>>>> please?
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Hervé
>>>>
>>>> Le vendredi 10 avril 2015 23:34:49 Andreas Gudian a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I already am in the group "maven-developers", but I don't seem to be
>>>>> able
>>>>> to do anything meaningfull, like managing versions or assigning issues
>>>>> to
>>>>> myself... I checked in SUREFIRE and in MECLIPSE.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there some part missing in the config?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Andreas
>>>>>
>>>>> 2015-04-10 23:23 GMT+02:00 Dan Tran <dant...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please add me as well
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -D
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Hervé BOUTEMY <herve.bout...@free.fr>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I added you to the last request for maven-developers group
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9422
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hervé
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Le vendredi 10 avril 2015 22:20:30 Mirko Friedenhagen a écrit :
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> now I tried to assign
>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MRELEASE-901 to myself and
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> was
>>>>
>>>>>>>> unable to do so. However I was allowed to resolve the issue (and
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> could
>>>>
>>>>>>>> close it as well).
>>>>>>>> When going to my profile
>>>>>>>> (https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ViewProfile.jspa) I see
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> that I
>>>>
>>>>>>>> am only in the group jira-users and not in any other group (so is
>>>>>>>> Robert Scholte btw, but he has assigned issues).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards Mirko
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> http://illegalstateexception.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>> https://github.com/mfriedenhagen/ (
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://osrc.dfm.io/mfriedenhagen)
>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://bitbucket.org/mfriedenhagen/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 7:43 AM, Kristian Rosenvold
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <kristian.rosenv...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The user name mapping seems to be ok, but I seem to be missing
>>>>>>>>> permissions to do anything sensible at all ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (krosenvold)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kristian
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2015-04-06 23:58 GMT+02:00 Mirko Friedenhagen <
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> mfriedenha...@gmail.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A big thank you from my side as well, I logged in to
>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/ and was easily able to see all
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> my
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> reported issues and am allowed to edit the open ones.
>>>>>>>>>> Regards Mirko
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> http://illegalstateexception.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/mfriedenhagen/ (
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://osrc.dfm.io/mfriedenhagen
>>>>
>>>>>> )
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://bitbucket.org/mfriedenhagen/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 2:29 PM, Jason van Zyl <ja...@takari.io>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The mapping did not work for my user as all issues that were
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> assigned to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "jason" on the Codehaus side are now mapping to Jason Lane. I
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> also
>>>>
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> no longer even log into issues.apache.org  to comment on
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> INFRA-9389.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> My codehaus user is "jason", and my Apache user is "jvanzyl".
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I lined up all my email addresses but only did so 3 hours
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> before
>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> migration so maybe that is the issue. But I've lost all access
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> to
>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Apache JIRA instance all together and all my issues are
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> assigned
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> someone else completely.>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 6, 2015, at 6:26 AM, Hervé BOUTEMY <
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> herve.bout...@free.fr>
>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> there were a lot of manual tasks that took hours, really many
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> hours
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> (the night was shorter than expected), even more for Mark
>>>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> it's great to see that the result is positive = you can
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> continue
>>>>
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> work on the issues
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> but everything didn't go as expected regarding accounts:
>>>>
>>>> please
>>>>
>>>>>>> report
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>>>>> problem to INFRA-9389 [1] with precise info regarding
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> usernames
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>> Codehaus
>>>>>>>>>>>> and at ASF
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you Ben for all the Codehaus support, and big big big
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> thank
>>>>
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> to Mark at ASF infra for the huge work on import.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hervé
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9389
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Le lundi 6 avril 2015 11:55:01 Robert Scholte a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to take this chance to give huge kudo's to all
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> involved
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> parties.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> My first impression is that the migration went very well,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> since
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> continue my work at https://issues.apache.org/jira as I was
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> used
>>>>
>>>>>>> to.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The preparations already showed that it was more than a
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> simple
>>>>
>>>>>>> copy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was a huge move and not everything could be automated
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> (e.g.
>>>>
>>>>>>> making
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 60+ Jira projects read-only at Codehaus) but the end result
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> is
>>>>
>>>>>>> great.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks a lot Hervé, ASF Infra and Codehaus Support!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op Sat, 04 Apr 2015 23:10:55 +0200 schreef Hervé BOUTEMY
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <herve.bout...@free.fr>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Codehaus was put read-only during migration, when we
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> started by
>>>>
>>>>>>> doing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the content.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Import at ASF is not one yet: should be done tomorrow.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You just have to way for 24 hours that the migration is
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> done :)
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hervé
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le samedi 4 avril 2015 14:03:43 Tibor Digana a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello guys,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not able to find
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SUREFIRE
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not able to manage the issues at Codehaus either ASF.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What can we do about that?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tibor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://maven.40175.n5.nabble.com/IMPORTANT-NOTICE-Jira-migration-fro
>>>>>>>
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