@Tibor: point is more that we don't need to hold a milestone for a feature,
we can just release and let fixes get out and get this huge architectural
change in another milestone. Only valid reason to delay a release is IMO a
regression or a major change we can't revert later (3.0.0 would be in this
bucket, not a milestone).

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Le lun. 11 nov. 2019 à 16:54, Tibor Digana <tibordig...@apache.org> a
écrit :

> The reason of M4 was to introduce TCP communication.
> Meanwhile first we wanted to cut the release one month ago but we postponed
> it and we were waiting for clarifying license issues and fixed J13 issue
> yesterday.
> I was working on TCP/Pipes together with Jonathan Bell and we wanted to
> make it in M4 which was our plan but we still have only 35% of the total
> work and there are several things which are too detailed to mention. So
> this has to continue and my estimation is that we need to spend 20 days. We
> were working on it quite intensively in the background created few PRs and
> moved the code from one PR to another and clarified it.
> Yesterday I proposed to Jonathan that it does not make sense to work on our
> taks like a hell because it would prolong the development which would take
> too long.
> So this is the whole reason, otherwise we could already include TCP/Pipes
> into M4.
> T
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 2:29 PM Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibu...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > +1 to release next week, no reason to wait since it is another "m"
> release
> > IMHO
> >
> > Le lun. 11 nov. 2019 à 12:44, Olivier Lamy <ol...@apache.org> a écrit :
> >
> > > That will be great.
> > > If you don't have time before end of the week. I'm happy to help and do
> > it.
> > > cheers
> > > Olivier
> > >
> > > On Mon, 11 Nov 2019 at 21:35, Tibor Digana <tibordig...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > @Olivier as we clarified this Slack. The release will be fast. No
> > delay!
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 12:07 PM Olivier Lamy <ol...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Why? delay again
> > > > > I thought 1 month ago we agreed ago to move non finished stuff to
> > > > 3.0.0-M5
> > > > > and release 3.0.0-M5 later.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, 11 Nov 2019 at 20:59, Tibor Digana <tibordig...@apache.org
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Pls don't do it.
> > > > > > I will cut it and move some issues to M5 but I need Matt to
> finish
> > > his
> > > > > > work. I am in contact with Mat.
> > > > > > I talked about it with the contributor Jonathan Bell about
> > reasoning.
> > > > > > T
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 11:41 AM Olivier Lamy <ol...@apache.org>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi
> > > > > > > Starting again this thread as we agreed but I didn't do it.
> > > > > > > So I'd like to cut release 3.0.0-M4 by the end of this week.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Mon, 14 Oct 2019 at 11:40, Tibor Digana <
> > tibordig...@apache.org
> > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The SUREFIRE-1689 progress has been finished until the CI
> build
> > > > > > succeeds.
> > > > > > > > T
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 13, 2019 at 10:27 AM Robert Scholte <
> > > > > rfscho...@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Ah, there it is :)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Sun, 13 Oct 2019 08:21:53 +0200, Romain Manni-Bucau
> > > > > > > > > <rmannibu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Didnt expect my comment about shade to take so much space
> > in
> > > > this
> > > > > > > > thread
> > > > > > > > > > but yes we rely on asm for relocation:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://github.com/apache/maven-shade-plugin/blob/master/src/main/java/org/apache/maven/plugins/shade/DefaultShader.java#L453
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Le dim. 13 oct. 2019 à 00:20, Robert Scholte <
> > > > > rfscho...@apache.org
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > écrit :
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> On Sat, 12 Oct 2019 13:44:48 +0200, Romain Manni-Bucau
> > > > > > > > > >> <rmannibu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> > Le sam. 12 oct. 2019 à 13:33, Robert Scholte <
> > > > > > > rfscho...@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > >> > écrit :
> > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> As far as I know, surefire won't touch the Plexus
> Java
> > > code
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > >> >> requires
> > > > > > > > > >> >> ASM.
> > > > > > > > > >> >> It is ONLY required when the runtime is Java 8 or
> lower
> > > AND
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > need
> > > > > > > > > >> to
> > > > > > > > > >> >> read the module descriptors.
> > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > >> >> Maven Shade is a different case: it must parse the
> Java
> > > > > > bytecode
> > > > > > > > (and
> > > > > > > > > >> >> only
> > > > > > > > > >> >> when using minifyJar), hence it needs the latest ASM.
> > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> > + Relocation ;)
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> Well, the unexpected answer is actually No, see
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://github.com/apache/maven-shade-plugin/blob/master/src/main/java/org/apache/maven/plugins/shade/relocation/SimpleRelocator.java
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> (but it might be better to do so...)
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> Robert
> > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > >> >> On Sat, 12 Oct 2019 11:35:05 +0200, Tibor Digana
> > > > > > > > > >> >> <tibordig...@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > >> >> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > We still use plexus-java:1.0.3 which depends on ASM
> > > 7.0.
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > The support for JDk 13 and 14 is in the version
> 7.2.
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > We have similar upgrade in
> > > > > > > > > >> >> >
> https://github.com/apache/maven-shade-plugin/pull/29
> > > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 2:53 AM Olivier Lamy <
> > > > > > ol...@apache.org
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> Hi,
> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> It's now almost 10 months since last and around 30
> > > > issues
> > > > > > > fixed.
> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> Maybe time for a new release?
> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> Moving issues still open to 3.0.0-M5?
> > > > > > > > > >> >> >>
> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> cheers
> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> --
> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> Olivier Lamy
> > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > >> >>
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