If the goal here is to simply clarify the metrics on project participation, perhaps we could run one of the tools from CHAOSS that will tell us how many people participate and how (mail list, commits, reviews, etc.)
On Wed, Oct 23, 2024 at 3:20 PM Ralph Goers <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> wrote: > FWIW, if Maven adopts the idea of modifying > https://maven.apache.org/team.html similar to the Logging Services team > page I linked too then I would likely move myself to the inactive list. > Although I do occasionally participate in threads like this and vote on > occasion I haven’t committed to the code base or commented on a PR in a > very long time. So adding myself to the inactive list would accurately > reflect my status to outsiders and the team while still allowing me to > participate in votes and discussions. For that reason I wouldn’t want to be > leave the PMC from the boards perspective. Of course, that is just my > opinion. > > Ralph > > > On Oct 23, 2024, at 2:00 AM, Maarten Mulders <mthmuld...@apache.org> > wrote: > > > > +1 > > > > > > Regarding the "dormant PMC member" issue that Eliotte mentioned. I am > happy people are willing to contribute again! From what I understand, an > inactive member is only marked as inactive / emeritus. They are not removed > from the PMC. They can become active again by simply contributing and > participating. I don't think the emeritus status keeps anybody from doing > that. > > > > As a consequence, I am not sure if the security improvement of marking > committers and PMC members is as big as suggested. If they keep their > status and access rights, there would be nothing to prevent them from doing > harm. > > > > That said, I think the more accurate view on "how many people are > effectively working on Maven" is already valuable in itself. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Maarten > > > > > > On 22/10/2024 18:17, Tamás Cservenák wrote: > >> Howdy, > >> I would like to propose a project policy change (followed by > >> implementation) regarding "emeritus" status of PMCs and members. > >> Proposal: > >> 1) IF a PMC member is inactive for 24 months (did NOT participate in > >> any VOTE [by casting binding vote] OR did not create any commit that > >> ended up in the project), he should be automatically moved to > >> "emeritus PMC" status. > >> 2) IF a committer is inactive for 24 months (did NOT participate in > >> any VOTE [by casting vote] OR did not create and/or review any commit > >> that ended up in the project), he should be automatically moved to > >> "emeritus committer" status. > >> Reasoning: > >> Currently if interested party checks ASF report about Maven project on > >> https://projects.apache.org/committee.html?maven , the presented data > >> is skewed, if not even false, about "who" (and more importantly "how > >> many") user is working on a project. This can lead to some unpleasant > >> misunderstandings as well (from "why is my PR not reviewed yet" to > >> many others). Moreover, this same (wrong) number may in fact lessen > >> potential contributors, make them turn away and choose another, less > >> supported project to join. Finally, I think we should shrink the > >> circle of "admin" powered users to those we are almost certain are > >> around us and involved. Project already has "emeritus" roles for both, > >> PMCs and committers AFAIK (correct me if I am wrong). > >> WDYT? > >> Thanks > >> T > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org > > -- LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/claudewarren
