On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Jos Backus <j...@catnook.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 1:39 PM, Jason van Zyl <ja...@tesla.io> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mar 19, 2012, at 4:14 PM, Jos Backus wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Jason van Zyl <ja...@tesla.io> wrote:
>>>>> I think if some 3rd party wants to provide an RPM have at it. I don't 
>>>>> think this is something we want to create or support.
>>>> [snip]
>>>>
>>>> Any reason why not, especially when it's easy to do so? It lowers the
>>>> bar for users to deploy Maven.
>>>
>>> You're assuming it's easy to do but as an overall supported aspect of the 
>>> project nothing is easy. Maybe easy for you, but not for us :-) Generating 
>>> an RPM is one thing, supporting it and have it undergo the construction 
>>> that RPM proponents might require like building it offline and running it 
>>> under our normal gamut of tests is probably not easy. You're making an 
>>> assumption that it lowers the bar, but I would argue that's for a much 
>>> smaller segment of the user base then you might think -- I believe Windows 
>>> users still make up the largest segment. So as I've argued in the past the 
>>> value to the project overall versus the work to actually support creating 
>>> an RPM is up for discussion. I don't believe it's worth the effort.
>>
>> Well, if installing Maven is really as easy as just unpacking a
>> tarball, creating an RPM should not be hard.
>
> The java dependency is an issue.

I would just leave it out of the package altogether.

> And then ... every RPM of a Java
> package I've ever seen has felt the need to take the self-contained
> hierarchy of the normal distro and move things to other places. Config
> to /etc, logs to /var/log, &cetra. So, right, one of us could probably
> come up with a trivial RPM, which would be trivially rejected by all
> of the distro packages.

Who cares if they reject it, if they are not offering anything better.

> I could also mention the question of equal rights for debian users,
> and don't even get me started on Gentoo.

Well, what scales better: packagers associated with a single distro
trying to package thousands of packages, or packagers associated with
a single package packaging that package for a few (major) distros?

Jos

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