So after looking at the issues more closely even at the 5 year-old mark there are still too many. At the 2 year-old mark it's a bit more reasonable. If I close all issues older than 2 years-old which are not assigned thats 415 so we would be left with 220 open issues which after a week or two I can probably get through, faster with some help. But that's probably reasonable as more recent issues are pertinent to 3.x as I myself am probably not going to dig back into 2.x issues and fix them.
So I propose sending a note to the dev and user list stating that we're trying to get the JIRA issue under control. We're closing all unassigned issues older than 2 years but people are free to reopen issues for bugs if they follow a process of providing a working stand-alone example of the problem. This will at least start the cleanup process. How's that sound? On Jan 20, 2014, at 4:53 PM, Jason van Zyl <ja...@takari.io> wrote: > Ok, I'll write something up and send it to the user and dev list. > > On Jan 20, 2014, at 2:17 PM, Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> +1 here. >> >> On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Anders Hammar <and...@hammar.net> wrote: >>> +1 on clean up if we communicate this (and explain why). >>> 0 on move >>> >>> /Anders >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 6:53 PM, Dominik Bartholdi <d...@fortysix.ch> wrote: >>> >>>> +1 cleanup is a really good idea! >>>> >>>> On 20.01.2014, at 18:50, Arnaud Héritier <aherit...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> +1 with a jira cleanup (but documented and announced to users to let them >>>>> understand what we do and why) >>>>> +1 to move to ASF >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 6:48 PM, Jason van Zyl <ja...@takari.io> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Works for me to just start over on the ASF JIRA. There are a couple >>>> issues >>>>>> I'd move but we can migrate a issues easily. What can't continue is the >>>>>> complete, incomprehensible mess that is there now. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 20, 2014, at 12:32 PM, Stephen Connolly < >>>>>> stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> If we are going wholesale dumping issues (and I am not against that), I >>>>>>> have a more radical suggestion... let's just move core to the ASF >>>> JIRA... >>>>>>> with next to no issues needing migration it would be easy ;-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 20 January 2014 17:23, Jason van Zyl <ja...@takari.io> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Really, it's more about dropping a nuclear bomb on JIRA. While trying >>>> to >>>>>>>> sift through it this weekend it's clear to me it's less than ideal in >>>>>> there. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There are issues that are 12 years old and while there might be some >>>>>>>> useful information in there that we hand select, I think anything that >>>>>> is >>>>>>>> older than 5 years we should just close as incomplete because with the >>>>>>>> great deal of change that's happened with 3.x most of it isn't >>>> relevant >>>>>> and >>>>>>>> if it is, and someone cares that much then it can be reopened with a >>>>>>>> stand-alone working example of the problem. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Now, as to the requirements for a stand-alone working example I think >>>> we >>>>>>>> should enforce this because personally I'm not going to check out >>>>>> someone's >>>>>>>> project, figure out how to interpret it in relation to the actual >>>>>> problem >>>>>>>> in Maven and then create a project I can turn into an IT. I'm just not >>>>>>>> going to do it generally. There might be exceptions but I don't want >>>> to >>>>>>>> read a textual examples or try to figure out snippets of a production >>>>>>>> project that can't be shared. In m2e we require a working example >>>>>> project >>>>>>>> to even look at a problem and if the issue sits there for a year with >>>> a >>>>>>>> working sample project we close it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Having an issue tracking system with 700 open issues is useless, so I >>>>>>>> would like to do a mass purge. It shouldn't really get beyond 50 open >>>>>>>> issues or it's just impossible to manage effectively. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Not sure what anyone else thinks but our JIRA situation is just not >>>>>>>> effective. I'm thinking anything over 5 years old that isn't assigned >>>>>> to a >>>>>>>> core developer we just close as incomplete and then see what we're >>>> left >>>>>>>> with. If anyone complains then we point them at doco (I'll write it) >>>>>> about >>>>>>>> creating a stand-alone project because otherwise it become >>>> impossible. I >>>>>>>> spent 8 hours over the weekend looking at issues trying to interpret >>>>>> what >>>>>>>> someone was trying to say and I don't want to guess. If the user cares >>>>>>>> enough they can make an example project. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jason >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>> Jason van Zyl >>>>>>>> Founder, Apache Maven >>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl >>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> happiness is like a butterfly: the more you chase it, the more it will >>>>>>>> elude you, but if you turn your attention to other things, it will >>>> come >>>>>>>> and sit softly on your shoulder ... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- Thoreau >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>> Jason >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> Jason van Zyl >>>>>> Founder, Apache Maven >>>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>>>> believe nothing, no matter where you read it, >>>>>> or who has said it, >>>>>> not even if i have said it, >>>>>> unless it agrees with your own reason >>>>>> and your own common sense. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- Buddha >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> ----- >>>>> Arnaud Héritier >>>>> http://aheritier.net >>>>> Mail/GTalk: aheritier AT gmail DOT com >>>>> Twitter/Skype : aheritier >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org >>>> >>>> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org >> > > Thanks, > > Jason > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Jason van Zyl > Founder, Apache Maven > http://twitter.com/jvanzyl > --------------------------------------------------------- > > There's no sense in being precise when you don't even know what you're > talking about. > > -- John von Neumann > > > > > > > > Thanks, Jason ---------------------------------------------------------- Jason van Zyl Founder, Apache Maven http://twitter.com/jvanzyl --------------------------------------------------------- Script timed out:/Users/jvanzyl/signature/signature.sh
