@Foivos I strongly agree with you that MXNet Gluon deserves better advertisement. Our community should work together to make this happen.
On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 6:29 PM Tianqi Chen <[email protected]> wrote: > > Today there is a big initiative to publicize MXNet. > > > It would be great such initiative can be(and should be) brought to dev@.. > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 6:08 PM Junru Shao <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > Probably we should figure out how to explain MXNet Gluon to customers. > In > > > this case, I agree with @Mu that > > > > > > 1) MXNet Gluon provides high-level API like what Keras gives to > > TensorFlow. > > > > > > 2) MXNet Gluon supports hybridization, which unifies both symbolic and > > > imperative programming style. > > > > > > Also, about toolkits, we could mention > > > > > > 3) GluonNLP and GluonCV are two awesome libraries in their respective > > > domain, both of which are built on MXNet Gluon. They not only provide > an > > > awesome exemplary codebase for customers to learn the best way to use > > MXNet > > > Gluon, but also come with the state-of-the-art models and training > > > techniques out-of-the-box. > > > > > > Any other ideas? > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 5:54 PM Pedro Larroy < > > [email protected] > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > +1 to MXNet Gluon given the feedbacks and explanations from everyone > so > > > > far. > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 5:09 PM Junru Shao <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I feel like MXNet Gluon is a good name. You don't lose customers > who > > > have > > > > > been familiar with MXNet, nor lose customers who are used to MXNet > > > > symbolic. > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 5:07 PM Davydenko, Denis < > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > As subject suggests this is a proposal for re-branding of Gluon > to > > > > align > > > > > > it with MXNet. One of the common things undertaken for > re-branding > > > > > > exercises is renaming. That's what my thinking behind suggesting > > new > > > > name > > > > > > for Gluon. I am sincerely curious what would be alternatives to > > > rebrand > > > > > > Gluon to align it with MXNet without changing its name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/22/19, 4:57 PM, "Mu Li" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you proposing to rename Gluon? I think Pedro's opinion is > > > > about a > > > > > > better way to communicate what's Gluon and how it's related > to > > > > MXNet. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 4:54 PM Davydenko, Denis > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I support idea of putting brands of MXNet and Gluon closer > > > > together. > > > > > > I > > > > > > > agree with your argument, Mu, but MXNet is quite far away > > from > > > TF > > > > > > place at > > > > > > > this time so I don’t know how well that argument is > > > transferable > > > > > > from TF > > > > > > > position to MXNet position. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MXNet Imperative is definitely too restrictive of a name, > we > > > can > > > > > > come up > > > > > > > with better one... MXNet-M for example, stands for > > > MXNet-Modified > > > > > > (military > > > > > > > connotation). If naming is the only thing we need to figure > > > out - > > > > > > that is a > > > > > > > good place to be in __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Denis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/22/19, 4:48 PM, "Mu Li" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gluon is about imperative neural network training and > > data > > > > > > loading. > > > > > > > ndarray > > > > > > > is another large imperative module. Besides, Gluon also > > > > supports > > > > > > > symbolic > > > > > > > execution after hybridizing. mxnet imperative might > not > > > be a > > > > > > good > > > > > > > name for > > > > > > > it. Another choice is high-level API, that's how TF > talks > > > > about > > > > > > Keras. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 4:38 PM Yuan Tang < > > > > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 7:29 PM Lin Yuan < > > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +1. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just to give some of my real experience: > > > > > > > > > 1) I advertised a recent GluonNLP blog and many > > > > responses are > > > > > > > "This seems > > > > > > > > > nice. So is Gluon a new library to replace MXNet?" > > > > > > > > > 2) We visited customers in a unicorn company who > > showed > > > > > > interests > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > MXNet > > > > > > > > > but none of the engineers knew the relationship > > between > > > > > > > GluonNLP/GluonCV > > > > > > > > > and MXNet > > > > > > > > > 3) When integrating MXNet to Horovod and adding > > > > examples, I > > > > > > > received > > > > > > > > > comments like "What is Gluon? Is it a new library > in > > > > > > addition to > > > > > > > MXNet?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Everyone is talking about PyTorch nowadays, but not > > > > Caffe2 > > > > > > anymore > > > > > > > > although > > > > > > > > > the latter is still serving as a backend component. > > > > Maybe we > > > > > > > should also > > > > > > > > > doubledown on one brand? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 4:02 PM Pedro Larroy < > > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi dev@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We heard feedback from users that the Gluon name > is > > > > > > confusing. > > > > > > > Some of > > > > > > > > > > them don't even know it's MXNet and it's unclear > > the > > > > > > > relationship with > > > > > > > > > > MXNet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Would it make sense to rebrand Gluon to just > MXNet > > or > > > > MXNet > > > > > > > > > > imperative? Diluting brands and names is never a > > good > > > > idea. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There's also gluonhq which is related to JavaFX > > which > > > > adds > > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > > > confusion, search engine friendliness is not high > > as > > > > well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pedro. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
