Such kind of conversion can be viewed as an enhanced version of
AlterOpLayout in the TVM relay Pass

On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 8:03 PM Lv, Tao A <tao.a...@intel.com> wrote:

>
> Thank you Tianqi and Sam for the kind suggestions.
>
> @Tianqi,
>
> Can you please point me to the code of this pass or do you think anyone
> from TVM community can help to educate me on this? I'm very happy to learn
> from that.
>
> Just one note, we are not only doing layout transformation but also want
> to have more memory for layout transformation.
> For example, (N=32, C=3, H=256, W=256) will be padded to (N=32, C=16,
> H=256, W=256) on channel dimension then convert (N=32, C=16, H=256, W=256)
> to nchw16c so we can leverage corresponding optimal computation kernels.
> That's why we also need changes to the memory planning pass.
>
>
> @Sam,
>
> Yes, definitely we're treating MKL-DNN as an accelerator on CPU.
> Previously we used it to accelerate certain critical operators in MXNet in
> certain situations, eg. FP32 convolution/deconvolution/fullyConnected, etc.
> But along with the evolving of both MXNet and MKL-DNN, we started to do
> more which might not supported by MXNet in original CPU implementation,
> such as quantization and graph fusion. So MKL-DNN backend is also changing
> from a simple `accelerator` to a `default` backend on CPU. And I totally
> agree with you that we need think more about the software architecture for
> maintainability, testability and readability - that's why I sent out this
> proposal to get more ideas from the community.
>
>
> -tao
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Skalicky, Sam [mailto:sska...@amazon.com.INVALID]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2019 2:24 AM
> To: dev@mxnet.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [MXNET 2.0 Wishlist] [DISCUSS] Refine the InferStorageType
> and memory planning pass
>
> I agree with Tianqi. We should let MKLDNN partitipate in memory planning
> by first having a separate NNVM pass and then using that info in the
> regular memory planning phase.
>
> Its starting to sound like MKLDNN should be treated like an accelerator
> rather than an operator library. As it has explicit needs and can provide
> acceleration when given extra capabilities in MXNet like having input to
> the memory planning NNVM pass. It also has special tensor formatting needs
> and conversions that could be best architected in another way than they
> currently are.
>
> We need to think about how we want to architect this for maintainability,
> testability, and readability.
>
> Sam
>
>
> > On Apr 9, 2019, at 11:11 AM, Tianqi Chen <tqc...@cs.washington.edu>
> wrote:
> >
> > The layout transformation should really be a separate optimization
> > pass rather than memory planning. As is done in the TVM stack. If we
> > want to do a clean slate solution, I would recommend looking into that
> instead.
> >
> > TIanqi
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 1:46 AM Lv, Tao A <tao.a...@intel.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi dev,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> As we're discussing the roadmap for MXNet 2.0, I would like to start
> >> a thread about refining the InferStorageType and memory planning pass
> >> in MXNet and hope it can happen as a part of the 2.0 release.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks to @eric-haibin-lin, part of the proposal has already been
> >> discussed in issue #13598 [1].
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> As mentioned in the description of issue #13598, there are several
> >> drawbacks of the existing flow. Please allow me to quote them here:
> >> *        the selection of MKL/CPU/GPU/CUDNN implementation happens after
> >> graph attribute inference and memory planning, memory planning is
> >> thus not aware of the implementation that will be used for execution
> >> in the future, which may result in sub-optimal result. For example,
> >> the memory inplace option may vary depending on the accelerator
> >> backend (the new version of CUDNN enables x/dx inplace for
> _backward_conv).
> >> *        some sparse operator need to access dtype/shape information to
> >> decide which implementation to invoke for execution, and whether to
> >> perform fallback. This information is not yet exposed in the existing
> >> infer storage type interface.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Besides, the existing memory planning pass calculates and afterwards
> >> allocates memory strictly according to the input/output tensor shapes
> >> (which can be got from operators' arithmetic formulas through
> InferShape).
> >> That's not true anymore when we come to accelerators like MKL-DNN on
> >> CPU which wants to pad input/output tensor to optimal formats (eg.
> >> nchw16c) according to hardware architecture. It also can be described
> >> as shape + stride. As many of you know, MKL-DNN shows great
> >> performance on these optimal formats which is blocked by the vector
> length of AVX512 or AVX2.
> >> It's very natural for us to pad on the channel dimension for those
> >> inputs/outputs which IC or OC is not multiples of vector length and
> >> leverage optimal kernels for blocked formats. Unfortunately this
> >> cannot be implemented without changing the logic in the memory planning
> pass.
> >> Currently we always fallback to slow reference kernels for both
> >> convolution [1] and deconvolution [2].
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> AFAIK, the padding feature of MKL-DNN has already been used in
> >> TensorFlow and other frameworks. We also found that, without
> >> supporting this feature, many other new features from MKL-DNN cannot
> >> be applied to MXNet,  such as the deconvolution primitive, winograd,
> etc.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Changes for this proposal can be divided into following parts:
> >> 1.      Following the proposal in issue #13598, we need add new
> >> InferStorageTypeEx functions to operators which need to do dispatch
> >> in a more fine-grained way. This also need the InfereStorage pass can
> >> handle the new -Ex function as what we did for FCompute and FComputeEx.
> >> 2.      Attach more information to the computation graph/node, eg.
> >> accelerator specific information. Currently we add `IsMKLDNN`
> >> directly during operator registration if MXNET_USE_MKLDNN == 1. It
> >> looks simple and rude to me.
> >> 3.      Do memory planning according to more information: topology,
> >> shapes, data types, in-place options and more accurate accelerator
> >> information (accelerator path, memory size requirements,
> >> accelerator-wise attributes).
> >> 4.      Improve MKL-DNN operators so they can work on those well planned
> >> memory which may be larger than the arithmetic requirements and work
> >> with optimal kernels. Also, with more accurate dispatching in
> >> InferStorageTypeEx, there is no need for us to write complicated
> >> fallback logic in MKL-DNN operators.
> >> 5.      If users feel uncomfortable with more memory usage, we can
> disable
> >> this feature by environmental variables.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Since the memory planning pass is implemented in NNVM, so we also
> >> need support from TVM community.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Please let me know what do you think. Thank you.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -tao
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> [1] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/13598
> >>
> >> [2]
> >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/blob/master/src/operator/nn
> >> /mkldnn/mkldnn_convolution.cc#L194
> >>
> >> [3]
> >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/blob/master/src/operator/nn
> >> /mkldnn/mkldnn_deconvolution.cc#L55
> >>
> >>
>
>

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