@Martin, How are you planning to separate the TC 5.5 stuff and TC 6 stuff if Stan has already done the bulk of the JSF 1.2 work necessary? I agree that current Tomcat users will likely stick with Tomcat (I know that's my plan) but to me it seems like the most useful JSF 1.2 stuff is the content interweaving which will require Tomcat 6.
My current position is this. If you want JSF 1.2 right now, then you need RI and Glassfish. If you want to stick with MyFaces but still use JSF 1.2 then you will have to wait for MyFaces developers to finish with JSF 1.2 and then use Tomcat 6 if its ready. Otherwise use MyFaces 1.2 with Glassfish or some other server. For development purposes, can't we all be using glassfish, or some other JEE 5.0 app server? This extra branch seems to serve a very narrow purpose. People who want some of the JSF 1.2 features but don't want to use anything else besides Tomcat. Maybe I am missing something but that is how I am reading it. IMO this is a big decision and we should make sure everyone is comfortable. For the record, I'm ok with core 1.2 on the trunk and moving core 1.1 to a branch for bug fixes. In fact I recommended this a while ago but I don't remember hearing a lot of support for that idea. Sean On 5/24/06, Martin Marinschek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
@Sean: It's easy - I won't put in the work to do it if I can't work with the version I have at hand. And I can't work with it when it relies on TC6.0 (and I won't switch over to Glassfish right now). I guess that I'll not be the only one. It's as easy as that. I promise to be the one to do the merging later on. One more thing: there will be one branch only (JSF 1.2 TC 6) - the trunk will JSF 1.2 TC 5.5. The other branch will be our bugfixes-only JSF1.1 branch - no major work being done there. I'd also say that if we want to get a bugfix in this branch, we should get it in in the JSF 1.2 TC 5.5 as well, right when the bugfix is applied. With this we save ourselves the hassle of merging too much here. @Dennis, you don't see the necessities to start with the major features of the 1.2 implementation right now, even when TC 6.0 is not yet available? regards, Martin On 5/24/06, Dennis Byrne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Please no multiple branches. Thanks. > > Dennis Byrne > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Sean Schofield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 12:56 PM > >To: 'MyFaces Development', [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: JSF 1.2 [was: Cancelled: JavaOne MyFaces Committers/Contributors meeting] > > > >OK so Stan is past the TC 5.5 point. Why do we need two branches? > >Can't we just say that 1.2 depends on TC 6.0 or Glassfish? I still > >think we need to do everything we can to avoid multiple branches. > > > >Sean > > > >On 5/24/06, Martin Marinschek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> No. The current build should be compatible again - if I don't have old > >> information here... > >> > >> regards, > >> > >> Martin > >> > >> On 5/24/06, Sean Schofield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > So does this mean that our Tomahawk releases are no longer compatible > >> > with the RI? That's our current problem right? > >> > > >> > Sean > >> > > >> > On 5/24/06, Martin Marinschek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > > There is no 1.1 compliant way of fixing dummyform - there just isn't. > >> > > > >> > > I would have gone with a single branch for 1.2 and checking in TC5.5 > >> > > compatible stuff only, but Stan has already worked on 1.2, and he has > >> > > implemented also TC6 depending things, so no chance to go with this, > >> > > except we want to loose what Stan did, and I wouldn't. > >> > > > >> > > I want to do development on the 1.1 branch for bugfixes only anymore. > >> > > 1.2 is our future, and we should go there! > >> > > > >> > > regards, > >> > > > >> > > Martin > >> > > > >> > > On 5/23/06, Sean Schofield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > > > Are we talking about the fix for DummyForm? Are we not going to > >> > > > attempt to have a 1.1 compatible fix? What about a single branch for > >> > > > 1.2 and only check in the Tomcat 5.5 compatible stuff? > >> > > > > >> > > > I agree with Craig that you don't want to be actively developing on > >> > > > the trunk plus two branches. Trust me, its difficult enough managing > >> > > > this when we have a short-lived branch for a release. > >> > > > > >> > > > -1 for a long-term double branch strategy. > >> > > > > >> > > > Sean > >> > > > > >> > > > On 5/23/06, Martin Marinschek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > > > > It's just that we need the 1.2 features for several things we want to > >> > > > > fix right now - and TC6 is still not released, so we can't work with > >> > > > > the full feature set of 1.2. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > regards, > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Martin > >> > > > > > >> > > > > On 5/22/06, Sean Schofield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > > > > > Why is there a need to have a separate branch for TC6 vs. TC55. Sorry > >> > > > > > if I missed the discussion on the need for this ... > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Sean > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > On 5/22/06, Martin Marinschek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > > > > > > Hi Craig, > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > critical fixes to 1.1. -> 1.1 branch > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > major development --> trunk > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > special things for 1.2 under TC6 only --> 1.2 branch > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > With this, it should be albe to merge down the 1.2 branch to the trunk, right? > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > regards, > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Martin > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > On 5/22/06, Craig McClanahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > On 5/21/06, Martin Marinschek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > Ok, > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > one more addition to the discussion - I'll want to branches. One for > >> > > > > > > > > JSF1.2 things which cannot be used together with Tomcat 5.5 and, one > >> > > > > > > > > for JSF1.2 things which can be used with Tomcat 5.5. I'd love trunk to > >> > > > > > > > > be the JSF1.2/Tomcat 5.5 branch, and have bug fixes for 1.1 on a real > >> > > > > > > > > branch. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > summary: > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 1.1 --> branch > >> > > > > > > > > 1.2 Tomcat 6 --> branch > >> > > > > > > > > 1.2 Tomcat 5.5. --> trunk > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > is that ok? > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Wouldn't this mean that every change that worked under 5.5 would need to be > >> > > > > > > > committed to both branches? That seems like a good way to slow down the > >> > > > > > > > effort to achieve 1.2 compliance. > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regards, > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Martin > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Craig > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > On 5/19/06, Stan Silvert < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > That would be fine. After I am done we may need some help from Sean. > >> > > > > > > > > > He was talking about putting Tomcat 6 jars in an Apache Maven > >> > > > > > > > > > repository. > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I've been building with NetBeans and not Maven. So someone who is more > >> > > > > > > > > > Maven savvy will need to update things so it builds correctly. I don't > >> > > > > > > > > > think it will be more complicated than adding and removing some > >> > > > > > > > > > dependencies. > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Stan Silvert > >> > > > > > > > > > JBoss, Inc. > >> > > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > > > > > > > > > callto://stansilvert > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > > > > > > > > > From: Manfred Geiler [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 8:48 PM > >> > > > > > > > > > > To: MyFaces Development > >> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: JSF 1.2 [was: Cancelled: JavaOne MyFaces > >> > > > > > > > > > > Committers/Contributors meeting] > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Sean, > >> > > > > > > > > > > Can you please make a copy of the current trunk to > >> > > > > > > > > > > /myfaces/core/branches/jsf_1_2 ? > >> > > > > > > > > > > After that, Stan can simply (?) merge his stuff inside that. > >> > > > > > > > > > > Is that ok, Stan? > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Manfred > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > On 5/18/06, Sean Schofield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > > > You want a 1.2 branch for core only using the latest trunk right? I > >> > > > > > > > > > > > can create it for you if you want ... > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Sean > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/18/06, Martin Marinschek < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Manfred, can you go ahead with that 1.2 branch? > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Martin > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/18/06, Thomas Spiegl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm having a look at tomahawk 416 > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > +1 for creating a 1.2 branch > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/18/06, Stan Silvert <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have implemented most of the new core API's and fixed most > >> > > > > > > > > > of > >> > > > > > > > > > > the > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deprecated ones to be backwards compatible with 1.1 (if you > >> > > > > > > > > > look > >> > > > > > > > > > > at the > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1.2 javadocs you'll see what I mean). If you look at the > >> > > > > > > > > > section > >> > > > > > > > > > > in the > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spec preface entitled "What's Changed Since the Last Release" > >> > > > > > > > > > you > >> > > > > > > > > > > can > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get a feel for what I did. I've pretty much done everything > >> > > > > > > > > > in > >> > > > > > > > > > > that > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most of it is covered under this issue, which just says to > >> > > > > > > > > > > implement > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > several sections of the spec: > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MYFACES-1274 > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe all of 1274 is complete except > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ApplicationImpl.getResourceBundle (). I > >> > > > > > > > needed code that reads > >> > > > > > > > > > the > >> > > > > > > > > > > new > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > faces-context.xml for that one. However, all the ELResolver > >> > > > > > > > > > stuff > >> > > > > > > > > > > is > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > done including the ResourceBundleELResolver. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've also done some of the issues listed under General > >> > > > > > > > > > Changes. > >> > > > > > > > > > > For > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > each item in that list, I created a Jira task. You can look > >> > > > > > > > > > at > >> > > > > > > > > > > Jira and > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see which ones I did. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was just getting started on the javax.faces.webapp package > >> > > > > > > > > > when > >> > > > > > > > > > > I was > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > taken off of the project. I probably won't commit any changes > >> > > > > > > > > > > from > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that. I didn't touch the components or renderer at all. With > >> > > > > > > > > > all > >> > > > > > > > > > > the > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > backward-compatible code I wrote, it appears that all the > >> > > > > > > > > > > components > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still work even though they are written the " 1.1 way". > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, hopefully, what you guys will have to start with is a JSF > >> > > > > > > > > > 1.2 > >> > > > > > > > > > > impl > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that is about half-way done and still works. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stan Silvert > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JBoss, Inc. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > callto://stansilvert > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Thomas Spiegl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 4:58 PM > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: MyFaces Development; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: JSF 1.2 [was: Cancelled: JavaOne MyFaces > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Committers/Contributors meeting] > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +1 for solving tomahawk 416, being incompatible to RI is a > >> > > > > > > > > > > serious > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stan which 1.2 issues did you fix. Did you change any link > >> > > > > > > > > > > renderers? > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If not, i am > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +1 for open a 1.2 branch > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/17/06, Werner Punz < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sean Schofield schrieb: > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm -1 on the 1.2 branch. There are major issues to be > >> > > > > > > > > > > fixed in > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > core right now. (See TOMAHAWK-416 and related dev > >> > > > > > > > > > > discussions.) > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know that Stan is anxious but given the lack of interest > >> > > > > > > > > > in > >> > > > > > > > > > > the > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > core > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trunk, its hard to imagine we have enough support to > >> > > > > > > > > > sustain > >> > > > > > > > > > > this > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > branch. 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