Hello Charles, Sophie and everybody, Although Sun may not distribute code to NK, this does not mean Sun can legally refrain from adding NK support to its product. As Jeongkyu stated, it would be nice to have a formal statement from Sun, with legal explanation of the issue.
The law indeed restrict export of many items to NK, including computer software, but hosting a tool on own server does not necessarily mean someone is exporting the product to NK. If we put it like that, Sun is currently exporting the whole product to NK, as the code and the whole product is available for free download from Sun servers and various mirrors, all the people of NK having full access to the product. One can restrict export of various things, but publishing a product on a web site does not mean one is exporting it to a specific country. Evidently, there is a hole in the applicable law, if it considers putting a product on a website as 'exporting a product to various countries'. I guess you all remember the Zimmermann case regarding the restriction of encryption standards exports, the solution Zimmermann found, as well as the outcome of it (the law being changed and export restrictions abolished). I agree with Charles that Eicke has given a very reasonable explanation and we should no longer bother him regarding this. Sophie, again, I don't see any obligation of Sun informing the US Sales Dept about a product being reexported, with the US Constitution talking about Freedom Of Speech (or, rather, Freedom of Expression) and making a product available do internet should not be considered as an export. Jeongkyu, could you kindly tell us about the availability of other open source products for NL (or, in NK language)? Doe major GNU Linux distributions support NK? Is there a NK locale? Are there some NK l10n projects? Unfortunately, I too do not have an education in this field, so someone with more experience in this would be able to better explain us the given circumstances. -- Best regards, Aiet Saturday, April 9, 2005, 3:50:31 PM, you wrote: chs> Hello Jeongkyu, chs> The problem is a legal problem. Since Sun is a US company, chs> StarOffice and OOo alike (since Sun commits engineers to it) chs> cannot even distribute code to NK. There are a lot of chs> international sanctions on NK and embargo + export prohibitions chs> are only some of them. chs> In this I feel that Sun engineers are a bit embarassed in chs> phrasing out an official explanation, but E. Rathe offered a chs> valid answer imho. chs> In this context, hosting the problematic patches on a chs> separate (non official) server may be the only solution, albeit chs> tedious and difficult, unless sanctions against NK are cancelled chs> and abridged. chs> Let me know if you need any help. chs> Regards, chs> Charles. >> >> >> Hello Charles and others, >> >> I personally talked to IlYong when they started NK version, but no more >> than that. Several days ago, as 2.0 release approaches, I was also >> wondering if their work is going good. But I realized from his post that >> there was problem at least on OpenOffice.org side, unfortunately. >> >> From the L10n discussion on this matter, it seems to be the most >> practical solution to maintain his patches outside of OpenOffice.org >> server. However, the most practical does not mean the best or the >> reasonable. I hope that we (volunteers in L10n and NL projects) can keep >> working on this matter until we get reasonable solution. >> >> I believe that the first step should be asking Sun to give us _formal >> explanation_. In fact, when those patches were rejected due to Sun's >> legal matter, they should have given formal explanation on it. IlYong >> and we may work together to write down a inquiry to Sun. >> >> Please let me know your opinion on my suggestion. >> >> Regards, >> Jeongkyu >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> For additional commands, e-mail: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> chs> Acc�dez au courrier �lectronique de La Poste : www.laposte.net ; chs> 3615 LAPOSTENET (0,34�/mn) ; t�l : 08 92 68 13 50 (0,34�/mn) -- Best regards, Aiet mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
