Hi all,
This mail will be pretty long sorry, but, I'm tired of fighting against
my own project, the one I choose to work about 40 hours per week without
asking for any feedback because this is my choice and I own it.
I'm answering at the top of your mail Bernhard, not for being impolite
but because on this subject there is some information I should give
where I understand both Ger and Charles reaction.
This is not directed toward Kami, but about an overall lake of
communication pn the OpenOffice Premium project, the new Template
project and finally the OpenOffice.org project.
For you information, Kami's version has caused a lot of issues for me
(as a project lead) and I have been the target of several insults for
not endorsing it or on the contrary for not reacting publicly against it.
The fact is that Kami never goes here to ask for our help and that we
have a responsibility in front of the OpenOffice.*name that are released
and are deployed in several companies and administrations. This is not
only a toy...
Whatever has happened in this new template project, my first reaction
was that it was only a new GUI project to manage templates, ok. But it's
not only that if you read until the end, this is a new repository where
it is said that the documentation project is dead and where it is said
that our templates are very poor. Thanks for our contributors, a team of
new heroes is here :( This is really what I've felt reading this page
and where I understand that Ger can have reacted (and Charles too).
About the documentation project, it happens that in the same time of the
template contest, somebody at Sun has proposed to the community council,
in a private mail, that some templates where offered or sells (I didn't
really understand and didn't want to understand a private mail that
should be public) to those who answered to the user survey. In the same
time of the contest, and without knowing or even evaluating what we are
offering, it was really disappointing for my point of view. Something
that is tactless to not even take informations before the proposal. The
same has happened for the Extension project...
The new online update page is directing people to English only links
where the same resources are existing in my language. We (the fr
project) have not been consulted for this page. I know by experience
that tomorrow I will be responsible for a page that contain several
grammatical and syntax inconsistencies, but where, when do I have been
asked for help on this page ? Should I remember that English
documentation in a French product is forbidden by a law ? Why should I
be ever the one that request ? Why don't we act as a project ?
I have been working on a important project this last weeks, a
competitiveness cluster (see here for an English information
http://www.competitivite.gouv.fr/index.php?&lang=en) in the Paris area.
Not sure it is a winning project but it is in a good shape.
I'm the first who would like to see the OOo market-place active and help
it. But the overall pressure that is put on us and the lake of
communication about it, is really difficult to stand when you have to
fight externally and internally. Internally meaning that most of the
developers ignore or don't want to take in consideration what is done by
the community.
My experiences here are about several projects where the community and
my project could bring resources, feedback, developments. But it seems
that (what I have been said on the OOo/SO list) a language project is
not representative whatever the magnitude of its user base.
Currently by week the FR release is dowloaded about 100 000 time on 3
mirrors (40 000 for Free, 20 000 (only for windows on Telecharger.com
and another one that sent me its stats), I'm aware of several migrations
because of my work and relations with several companies.
Of course I'm more than willing that all this have a means of ROI for
the project, and this is what I'm working on. We have had to be very
patient and intelligent about these migrations, the feedback will ask us
the same patience and intelligence.
Driving us away will mean no feedback at all... Is that what is wanted ?
Kind regards
Sophie
Bernhard Dippold wrote:
Hello Charles, *
I've been writing a longer reply to G. Roderick Singleton, but decided
not to send it...
So I keep it short here:
KAMI didn't write that wiki page and isn't listed as part of the iTeam.
And the section about the documentation project is titled with [FIXME]
(and only calls the templates page not updated since quite a long time -
of course the wording could be better, but that's not a reason to fight
against KAMI)
Please have a look at the wiki page's history.
KAMI just added information on his template and clipart collection and
told us about this effort to ease the way to use templates directly form
the product - and therefore I'd like to thank him.
And WRT your complaints about OxygenOffice - we had these discussions in
the past and I thought you told us you would help him to integrate as
many templates and clipart in the official package.
With building extensions from his collection he is on the right way IMHO.
Best regards
Bernhard
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