+1 for this.
On Mon 1 Nov 2021, 18:26 Eirik Bakke, <eba...@ultorg.com> wrote: > +1 for changing the default LAF to FlatLAF on Linux > -1 for changing the default LAF to FlatLAF on Windows and MacOS. > > We have very good Windows and MacOS LAFs that match the native look of GUI > widgets (buttons, text fields, toolbars, tabs etc.). This is a big > advantage of NetBeans compared to IntelliJ and Eclipse. > > The Windows and MacOS LAFs also now support HiDPI/Retina screens well, > including fractional scalings such as 150% on Windows. See the long list of > related improvements on > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/HiDPI+%28Retina%29+improvements > . > > One Linux, however, FlatLAF seems to be strictly better than the default > GTK LAF. In particular, the GTK LAF does not support HiDPI screens well. > > There are also some further improvements to FlatLAF proposed on > https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/3115 , which makes the tabs > easier to see, and more consistent with other main window borders. (These > changes also makes NetBeans look less like IntelliJ, which is probably a > good thing from a brand differentiation perspective. But usability was the > main motivation here.) > > (Be sure to consider the latest versions--there have been lots of > improvements in all three LAFs over the past few releases--FlatLAF, > Windows, and MacOS. I also see that the GTK LAF has had recent changes, > e.g. https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-5862 .) > > -- Eirik > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Eggers <its_toas...@yahoo.com.INVALID> > Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 2:05 PM > To: dev@netbeans.apache.org > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Default to FlatLaf in NetBeans 13? > > -0 on this. > > I am red/green color deficient. I've tried using FlatLaf several times, > and I just could not get the color selection to work where everything was > different and yet easy for me to read. > > I'll try again on 12.5, but for now I've stuck with the Windows LAF for my > Windows systems and Nimbus (don't laugh) for my GtK systems due to some > font scaling issues. > > I'll try FlatLaf with 12.5 on Ubuntu 20.04 to see how it goes, but Nimbus > seems to work fine for me at the moment. > > Changing the default is not an issue with me since I currently do it > anyway. About the only issue with changing away from FlatLaf is that I have > to change the editor LAF separately from the IDE LAF (last time I tried). > > I'm mostly a systems admin / architect these days so my NetBeans usage > centers around proof of concepts and tracking down memory leaks in Java web > applications. > > In short, I'm more of a casual user at this point. > > . . . . just my two cents > /mde/ > > Thanks for a great platform, and hopefully one day soon I'll actually be > able to contribute. > > On 11/1/2021 7:56 AM, Laszlo Kishalmi wrote: > > +1 on this one. Maybe if we could even the installer should be on > > FlatLaf (right now on GTK with dark schema, the license agreement text > > is white over white, need to select it to be able to read that.) > > > > I use FlatLaf Light for the release versions and FlatLaf Dark on the > > dev builds. > > > > On 11/1/21 07:01, Neil C Smith wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> So, now we've branched off 12.6, and we know that the next release > >> will be NetBeans 13, require JDK 11+, and hopefully ship with > >> nb-javac included .. is it time we changed (improved?! :-) ) how > >> NetBeans looks out of the box too? > >> > >> Should we consider FlatLaf (light or dark) as the default look and > >> feel from NetBeans 13? > >> > >> This is partly prompted by working through a few JIRA tickets with > >> HiDPI issues resolved by switching, a few snarky social media > >> comments about NetBeans' appearance I've seen recently where the > >> go-to replies seem to just be to tell people to switch to FlatLaf .. > >> and the fact I'm constantly switching even when debugging because the > >> GTK theme on Ubuntu is borderline unusable. > >> > >> So, what do you think? For or against? Maybe also add what you do > >> use, and light or dark, in a reply - it might make some sense if we > >> defaulted to what the majority of us use in practise? > >> > >> Best wishes, > >> > >> Neil >
