BTW, considering NetBeans is an IDE, there has been a bit of confusion about what nbdev@ is all about. I assume this will propagate to [email protected] too.
For every software developer that uses NetBeans and has to ask something, some will assume they need dev@ since that has developers in the title. --emi On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 7:00 PM, Geertjan Wielenga < [email protected]> wrote: > Here's a proposal (and it's not about building "a load of small groups", > which I don't believe Sun did either actually, but about not having people > quit the Apache NetBeans mailing lists because of getting too many > irrelevant e-mails for their purposes): > > 1. How the standard Apache mailing lists map to the existing NetBeans > mailing lists: > - private@ list: nothing currently like that in NetBeans, specifically for > PPMC > - dev@ list: this is the equivalent of [email protected] and is where the > code contributors will be collaborating > - users@ list: this is where users of NetBeans, e.g., those creating Java > apps or web apps or learning about Java etc can ask/discuss questions > > 2. I do think a very few additional lists are needed and, again, not to > fragment the community but to keep the flow of information relevant and > manageable: > - platform@ list: this is what Hermien refers to earlier in this thread, > i.e., a specific subset of developers talking about NetBeans APIs and how > to use them in the software they're creating on top of NetBeans -- if these > were to be part of the users@list, I fear that a lot of people would not > subscribe or unsubscribe from the @users list, since this is a pretty > active group of NetBeans folks around the world focused on a very specific > thing, I don't think there are other similar groupings like this > - dreamteam@ list: the advocacy group, i.e., for discussions about Apache > NetBeans events and gatherings, etc, again, not about the kind of code > discussions of the users@list and this is a group of about 50 or so > community advocates focused on that specific theme > - netcat@list: the community focused on testing NetBeans prior to its > release > - translation@ list: translators of NetBeans documentation and NetBeans > itself > > I think we can keep it to the above -- and I think we really do want to try > to keep as unified a community as possible, that's really what we do want, > though via the above proposal we'd not have too many unnecessary mails > coming in. We'll still have different discussions within the above, e.g., > specific discussions about Python or Rust or some other languages and > technologies. > > Hope from the above it can be seen that this proposal tries to strike a > balance between the different valid concerns. > > Gj > > On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 5:35 PM, Geertjan Wielenga < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Raphael Bircher wrote: > > > > During the proposal time i created a NetBeans account and looked into the > >> community. The similarities with OpenOffice are on some level realy > height. > >> Mainly the infrastructure is very similar. In the case of the ML it's > >> pretty much the same. Both old projects. They have added ML's. Some are > >> still used, others not. So a moment like the incubation is a good > chance to > >> start from the scratch. > >> > >> And it's not about comparing projects. It's about looking to the other > >> projects and see, if we can take over a solution. > > > > > > > > The infrastructure, including the mailing lists, is pretty different > > between OpenOffice and NetBeans, to be honest. > > > > There's really only the following mailing lists in relation to NetBeans: > > - [email protected] -- NetBeans users, i.e., those using NetBeans as > a > > development tool for work or education > > - [email protected] -- NetBeans Platform developers, i.e., those > > creating applications on top of the NetBeans application framework > > - [email protected] -- those interested in extending NetBeans itself > > > > Aside from that, there's also the NetCAT community, for community > testers, > > and the NetBeans Dream Team, for community advocates. > > > > Gj > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Raphael Bircher < > [email protected]> > > wrote: > > > >> Hi Bertrand > >> > >> > >> Am 10/5/2016 um 4:24 PM schrieb Bertrand Delacretaz: > >> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 4:20 PM, Raphael Bircher > >>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> ...NetBeans has the same problem in this case as Apache OpenOffice had > >>>> before > >>>> Apache was joined.... > >>>> > >>> I would prefer that we avoid comparing NetBeans and OpenOffice - those > >>> are very different projects, each with their own history. > >>> > >> During the proposal time i created a NetBeans account and looked into > the > >> community. The similarities with OpenOffice are on some level realy > height. > >> Mainly the infrastructure is very similar. In the case of the ML it's > >> pretty much the same. Both old projects. They have added ML's. Some are > >> still used, others not. So a moment like the incubation is a good > chance to > >> start from the scratch. > >> > >> And it's not about comparing projects. It's about looking to the other > >> projects and see, if we can take over a solution. > >> > >> > >> Regards Raphael > >> > > > > >
