My two cents, I think we should start a petition for JavaFX. It probably is a 
resourcing issue at Oracle with competing groups/managers. The function of user 
groups/community is to provide feedback to Oracle on things we think they 
should invest. We shouldn’t frame it as a JavaFX versus JavaScript/HTML because 
that’s counterproductive. It is a good technology, people are using, and we 
want it at least part of the platform and not removed if not enhanced.

Note: technically I think we need JavaFX as it brings touch and rich media 
support to the platform. It does give us that Webview component which enables 
tighter JavaScript/HTML integration (using a derivative of the engine used by 
Chrome/Safari).

-Ryan

> On Mar 15, 2018, at 3:45 PM, Fabrizio Giudici <fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it> 
> wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 20:25:36 +0100, Matthias Bläsing 
> <mblaes...@doppel-helix.eu> wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> 
>> the one thing, that annoys the hell out of me with HTML based GUIs is,
>> that everybody reinvents everything, everytime.
> 
> Matthias,
> 
> you don't know how much I agree with your statement. And I know some major 
> speakers around - also friend of mine - who think the same. This annoys me so 
> much that sometimes I wonder whether I'd better change job.
> 
> The problem is: the industry is literally intoxicated by this attitude, and I 
> don't see we can do much to fight it. It is like that for a number of 
> converging reasons, including the fact that, from a business point of view, 
> it's like the classic "dig holes and then fill them", or "break windows and 
> then fix them".
> 
> Personally I've abandoned Swing time ago, but I find JavaFX pretty good. Now, 
> unfortunately, I'm seeing even the latest "Asterix villages" that kept on 
> developing rich client applications falling down and being pressured to move 
> development of UIs to HTML5. In this perspective, I must say that Oracle's 
> announce to drop JavaFX from the runtime and give it to the community, while 
> it theoretically could be not a major problem for the survival of the 
> technology, it's probably going to effectively kill it, because project 
> managers will interpret the thing like an imminent death - JavaFX finding 
> itself without a corporate sponsor.
> 
> On my perspective, I can work as technology advocate, architect and 
> supporting consultant for developers, but I'm not the typical professional 
> figure that can influence project managers (who reason with different 
> references than me) to the point of making their minds - and I believe many 
> of us, unfortunately, are in the same bandwagon. So, I don't see a critical 
> mass to change things.
> 
> --
> Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s.
> "We make Java work. Everywhere."
> http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it
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