Just my tuppence worth (being British) regarding Micro$oft being evil: companies do change. I remember when IBM was the byword for restrictive practice and vendor lock-in. Nowadays they are a really positive force in the open source arena. They contribute a huge amount (too much if Xenix were to be believed) to open source development, use and popularity. You can run Linux as standard on a IBM supercomputer. 25 years ago, running a non-IBM OS on such would have been considered "crazy talk". Going the other way, Google, the company that pioneered "not being evil"? They have tarnished that more than a little. The industry is so full of wreckers and weasels it is easy to become cynical. If you want to see a consistent wrecker in the community, Oracle wins hands down, I agree. However, the people who put MS where they are? Ironically that is Apple. They taught Microsoft the lesson, "if they are an enemy, sue them, if they are a friend sue them first" and "If in doubt, if any new technology appears, patent it, stick your logo on it, and pretend like you invented it". I think we need to be a little more positive and the really positive success story of the last two decades is the fact that, no matter how hard everyone else tried too, only one player managed to dominate the Internet - us, the open source community. Linux, Apache, MySQL, Firefox, and a bazillion other projects mean it is possible to both have software that is diverse and open but that works and does not cost you internal organs, while people are still able to make a mostly adequate and mostly honest dollar, rupee or pound out of it all. That's a big thing. In other words, for the most part, we won. That is something to both celebrate and protect damn hard. Microsoft is just trying to hack out the biggest chunk they can of the new order, which is why they have the CEO they do now. That does mean though tgat we need to be vigilant. Let's watch and see, but be prepared - be friends and let them ride in the car; just don't give them the keys. Regards to all Stephen
On 7 June 2018 16:55:33 BST, Kirk Pepperdine <[email protected]> wrote: >What GitHub brings to the table are the review and collaboration tools. >If you don’t need them, then you don’t need GitHub. > >Kind regards, >Kirk > >> On Jun 7, 2018, at 4:23 PM, Geertjan Wielenga ><[email protected]> wrote: >> >> We’re using GitHub as a convenience, thanks to GitBox. But there’s no >> requirement to use GitHub except that since it’s possible it’s >popular >> because everyone knows GitHub. But we could use whatever Apache >enables us >> to use. >> >> Gj >> >> On Thursday, June 7, 2018, Emilian Bold <[email protected]> >wrote: >> >>> In theory. In practice we never saw a patch being discussed on the >mailing >>> list. >>> >>> Without GitHub you cannot comment on PRs, you cannot +1. You cannot >create >>> a new PR. >>> >>> --emi >>> >>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ >>> >>> On 7 June 2018 3:45 PM, Mark Struberg <[email protected]> >wrote: >>> >>>> To be honest I don't get why someone would require a github >account. >>>> >>>> Just clone our ASF git repo. Technically it makes no difference >where >>> from. Might be from ASF, github or even your neighbour,.. >>>> >>>> The sha1 are everywhere the same anyway (if the clone is up2date). >>>> >>>> Then you do your changes, create a patch etc. And send a pull >request. I >>> personally even prefer creating the patch via git-format-patch and >then >>> attaching it to either JIRA or send it directly to the mailing list >for >>> review. That's how we always did work in the past and it still works >like a >>> charm! >>>> >>>> In many cases it's even way cleaner than via github (no spread >channels >>> etc). >>>> >>>> You could also just point to your repo (hosted on bitbucket, >>> sourceforge, your private server, whatever) and the maintainer could >>> git-fetch+merge from there. That's how GIT was intended to be used >even. >>>> >>>> LieGrue, >>>> >>>> strub >>>> >>>>> Am 07.06.2018 um 09:20 schrieb Jan Lahoda [email protected]: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Emilian, >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Emilian Bold >>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I think we need to plan a separate contribution workflow without >>> GitHub >>>>>> >>>>>> (see my other thread 'How to participate in Apache NetBeans >without a >>>>>> >>>>>> GitHub account?'). >>>>>> >>>>>> Right now we are tied to GitHub and it's impossible to be >involved in >>>>>> >>>>>> anything without jumping onto GitHub. >>>>> >>>>> Not sure if (or why) it is impossible to be involved without >GitHub. >>> AFAIK >>>>> >>>>> anyone can subscribe to this mailing list, checkout from the Git >repo >>> on >>>>> >>>>> Apache: >>>>> >>>>> https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf?p=incubator-netbeans.git >>>>> >>>>> and send patches to this mailing list. (Or maybe links to patches, >if >>> this >>>>> >>>>> list strips attachments.) >>>>> >>>>> My view is that we are using GitHub because it is more convenient. >>>>> >>>>> Jan >>>>> >>>>>> There is a high change of some contributors avoiding NetBeans if >we >>> are >>>>>> >>>>>> GitHub-only. >>>>>> >>>>>> Demoting GitHub to a plain git remote is fine. We need to take >care >>> of PRs >>>>>> >>>>>> (code review / comments). >>>>>> >>>>>> --emi >>>>>> >>>>>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ >>>>>> >>>>>> On 7 June 2018 9:08 AM, Christian Lenz [email protected] >wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Do any of you know the plans of MS? No, so please wait and don’t >be >>>>>>> >>>>>>> worry and make an Solutions, for Problems. That we Maybe not >have. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Von: Marc Beck >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. Juni 2018 21:10 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> An: [email protected] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Betreff: Microsoft buys GitHub >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Amen to that. Something I have been telling for so long. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In fact I can't remember a single thing M$ came up by >themselves. >>> They >>>>>>> >>>>>>> always bought stole, or equivalent. Even the initial CP-M is not >>>>>>> >>>>>>> something >>>>>>> >>>>>>> B.G. did come up with himself. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When people, around 2000 (XP) decided to stop writing anything >that >>>>>>> >>>>>>> could be >>>>>>> >>>>>>> directly used by them it dried out. They got all the wizzes >>> together and >>>>>>> >>>>>>> came up with a big flop (of which a very simplified run down >>> version we >>>>>>> >>>>>>> know >>>>>>> >>>>>>> under Vista). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ergo why they bought GitHub: they are desperate for new material >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just my $.02 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: Chuck Davis [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2018 1:20 PM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Microsoft buys GitHub >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Do we need to be reminded that IBM had a 32 bit desktop OS a >year >>> and a >>>>>>> >>>>>>> half before MS could muster one up? They finally (20 years late) >>> gave >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Windows 10 users two huge benefits millions of us have been >>> enjoying for >>>>>>> >>>>>>> more that 20 years: virtual desktops (a VERY clumsy >implementation >>> to be >>>>>>> >>>>>>> sure) and a usable command prompt window. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Even at this time they are using their ridiculous "software >>> patents" to >>>>>>> >>>>>>> prevent innovation and hold back the advance of the industry. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Microsoft is and always has been a poison to technology. >>> Everything they >>>>>>> >>>>>>> have has been acquired either through purchasing or bankrupting >the >>>>>>> >>>>>>> innovator. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There's a lot of stuff on GitHub MS can now steal and market >like >>> they >>>>>>> >>>>>>> invented it...welcome to the Windows World. They've never >invented >>>>>>> >>>>>>> anything but they sure know how to market other people's >>> innovations. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The sooner NB liberates itself from GitHub the better off we'll >>> be. If >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Git >>>>>>> >>>>>>> is the tool of choice I say let Apache set up it's own Git >>> repositories >>>>>>> >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Apache projects. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 12:46 AM, Tim Boudreau >[email protected] >>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Honestly, when I think of Microsoft, I think of the immeasurable >>> harm >>>>>>> >>>>>>> they >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> did to progress in computing. There was going to be a PC on >every >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> desktop >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> regardless. They just ensured that PC ran a horrifically >flawed, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> vulnerable, broken by design OS. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >>> [email protected] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: >>> [email protected] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists >>>>>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >>> [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: >>> [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: >>>>>> >>>>>> >https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >[email protected] >>>> >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: >[email protected] >>>> >>>> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: >>>> >>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists >>> >>> >>> >>> >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >[email protected] >>> For additional commands, e-mail: >[email protected] >>> >>> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists >>> >>> >>> >>> > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] >For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > >For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: >https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
