Encouraging read https://www.reddit.com/r/AMA/comments/8pc8mf/im_nat_friedman_future_ceo_of_github_ama/?limit=500
On Thu, 7 Jun 2018, 19:46 Stephen Parry, <[email protected]> wrote: > Just my tuppence worth (being British) regarding Micro$oft being evil: > companies do change. I remember when IBM was the byword for restrictive > practice and vendor lock-in. Nowadays they are a really positive force in > the open source arena. They contribute a huge amount (too much if Xenix > were to be believed) to open source development, use and popularity. You > can run Linux as standard on a IBM supercomputer. 25 years ago, running a > non-IBM OS on such would have been considered "crazy talk". > Going the other way, Google, the company that pioneered "not being evil"? > They have tarnished that more than a little. > The industry is so full of wreckers and weasels it is easy to become > cynical. If you want to see a consistent wrecker in the community, Oracle > wins hands down, I agree. However, the people who put MS where they are? > Ironically that is Apple. They taught Microsoft the lesson, "if they are an > enemy, sue them, if they are a friend sue them first" and "If in doubt, if > any new technology appears, patent it, stick your logo on it, and pretend > like you invented it". > I think we need to be a little more positive and the really positive > success story of the last two decades is the fact that, no matter how hard > everyone else tried too, only one player managed to dominate the Internet - > us, the open source community. Linux, Apache, MySQL, Firefox, and a > bazillion other projects mean it is possible to both have software that is > diverse and open but that works and does not cost you internal organs, > while people are still able to make a mostly adequate and mostly honest > dollar, rupee or pound out of it all. That's a big thing. > In other words, for the most part, we won. That is something to both > celebrate and protect damn hard. Microsoft is just trying to hack out the > biggest chunk they can of the new order, which is why they have the CEO > they do now. That does mean though tgat we need to be vigilant. Let's watch > and see, but be prepared - be friends and let them ride in the car; just > don't give them the keys. > Regards to all > Stephen > > On 7 June 2018 16:55:33 BST, Kirk Pepperdine <[email protected]> wrote: > >What GitHub brings to the table are the review and collaboration tools. > >If you don’t need them, then you don’t need GitHub. > > > >Kind regards, > >Kirk > > > >> On Jun 7, 2018, at 4:23 PM, Geertjan Wielenga > ><[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> We’re using GitHub as a convenience, thanks to GitBox. But there’s no > >> requirement to use GitHub except that since it’s possible it’s > >popular > >> because everyone knows GitHub. But we could use whatever Apache > >enables us > >> to use. > >> > >> Gj > >> > >> On Thursday, June 7, 2018, Emilian Bold <[email protected]> > >wrote: > >> > >>> In theory. In practice we never saw a patch being discussed on the > >mailing > >>> list. > >>> > >>> Without GitHub you cannot comment on PRs, you cannot +1. You cannot > >create > >>> a new PR. > >>> > >>> --emi > >>> > >>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ > >>> > >>> On 7 June 2018 3:45 PM, Mark Struberg <[email protected]> > >wrote: > >>> > >>>> To be honest I don't get why someone would require a github > >account. > >>>> > >>>> Just clone our ASF git repo. Technically it makes no difference > >where > >>> from. Might be from ASF, github or even your neighbour,.. > >>>> > >>>> The sha1 are everywhere the same anyway (if the clone is up2date). > >>>> > >>>> Then you do your changes, create a patch etc. And send a pull > >request. I > >>> personally even prefer creating the patch via git-format-patch and > >then > >>> attaching it to either JIRA or send it directly to the mailing list > >for > >>> review. That's how we always did work in the past and it still works > >like a > >>> charm! > >>>> > >>>> In many cases it's even way cleaner than via github (no spread > >channels > >>> etc). > >>>> > >>>> You could also just point to your repo (hosted on bitbucket, > >>> sourceforge, your private server, whatever) and the maintainer could > >>> git-fetch+merge from there. That's how GIT was intended to be used > >even. > >>>> > >>>> LieGrue, > >>>> > >>>> strub > >>>> > >>>>> Am 07.06.2018 um 09:20 schrieb Jan Lahoda [email protected]: > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi Emilian, > >>>>> > >>>>> On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Emilian Bold > >>> [email protected] > >>>>> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> I think we need to plan a separate contribution workflow without > >>> GitHub > >>>>>> > >>>>>> (see my other thread 'How to participate in Apache NetBeans > >without a > >>>>>> > >>>>>> GitHub account?'). > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Right now we are tied to GitHub and it's impossible to be > >involved in > >>>>>> > >>>>>> anything without jumping onto GitHub. > >>>>> > >>>>> Not sure if (or why) it is impossible to be involved without > >GitHub. > >>> AFAIK > >>>>> > >>>>> anyone can subscribe to this mailing list, checkout from the Git > >repo > >>> on > >>>>> > >>>>> Apache: > >>>>> > >>>>> https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf?p=incubator-netbeans.git > >>>>> > >>>>> and send patches to this mailing list. (Or maybe links to patches, > >if > >>> this > >>>>> > >>>>> list strips attachments.) > >>>>> > >>>>> My view is that we are using GitHub because it is more convenient. > >>>>> > >>>>> Jan > >>>>> > >>>>>> There is a high change of some contributors avoiding NetBeans if > >we > >>> are > >>>>>> > >>>>>> GitHub-only. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Demoting GitHub to a plain git remote is fine. We need to take > >care > >>> of PRs > >>>>>> > >>>>>> (code review / comments). > >>>>>> > >>>>>> --emi > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 7 June 2018 9:08 AM, Christian Lenz [email protected] > >wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Do any of you know the plans of MS? No, so please wait and don’t > >be > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> worry and make an Solutions, for Problems. That we Maybe not > >have. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Cheers > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Chris > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Von: Marc Beck > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. Juni 2018 21:10 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> An: [email protected] > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Betreff: Microsoft buys GitHub > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Amen to that. Something I have been telling for so long. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> In fact I can't remember a single thing M$ came up by > >themselves. > >>> They > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> always bought stole, or equivalent. Even the initial CP-M is not > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> something > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> B.G. did come up with himself. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> When people, around 2000 (XP) decided to stop writing anything > >that > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> could be > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> directly used by them it dried out. They got all the wizzes > >>> together and > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> came up with a big flop (of which a very simplified run down > >>> version we > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> know > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> under Vista). > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Ergo why they bought GitHub: they are desperate for new material > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Just my $.02 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> From: Chuck Davis [mailto:[email protected]] > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2018 1:20 PM > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> To: [email protected] > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Microsoft buys GitHub > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Do we need to be reminded that IBM had a 32 bit desktop OS a > >year > >>> and a > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> half before MS could muster one up? They finally (20 years late) > >>> gave > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Windows 10 users two huge benefits millions of us have been > >>> enjoying for > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> more that 20 years: virtual desktops (a VERY clumsy > >implementation > >>> to be > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> sure) and a usable command prompt window. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Even at this time they are using their ridiculous "software > >>> patents" to > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> prevent innovation and hold back the advance of the industry. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Microsoft is and always has been a poison to technology. > >>> Everything they > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> have has been acquired either through purchasing or bankrupting > >the > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> innovator. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> There's a lot of stuff on GitHub MS can now steal and market > >like > >>> they > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> invented it...welcome to the Windows World. They've never > >invented > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> anything but they sure know how to market other people's > >>> innovations. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The sooner NB liberates itself from GitHub the better off we'll > >>> be. If > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Git > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> is the tool of choice I say let Apache set up it's own Git > >>> repositories > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> for > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Apache projects. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 12:46 AM, Tim Boudreau > >[email protected] > >>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Honestly, when I think of Microsoft, I think of the immeasurable > >>> harm > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> they > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> did to progress in computing. There was going to be a PC on > >every > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> desktop > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> regardless. They just ensured that PC ran a horrifically > >flawed, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> vulnerable, broken by design OS. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > >>> [email protected] > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: > >>> [email protected] > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > >>>>>> > >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > >>> [email protected] > >>>>>> > >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: > >>> [email protected] > >>>>>> > >>>>>> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> > >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > >[email protected] > >>>> > >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: > >[email protected] > >>>> > >>>> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > >>>> > >>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > >[email protected] > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: > >[email protected] > >>> > >>> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > >For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > > > >For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > >https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > -- > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
