@Emilian
It's a vicious circle - I'm searching for info on how to perform a
particular task, I can't find that info, I ask for help in the mailing
list, you tell me to create the help document, but I still don't know what
to write.

@Gj
Could you please add a link to the wiki on the main website? This wiki is
really hard to find.
Possibly also add a link to this development environment wiki page to the
"Build from source" section here:
https://netbeans.apache.org/download/index.html


On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 11:47 AM Emilian Bold
<[email protected]> wrote:

> > > Just wanted to point out that:
> > > 1.  The Netbeans project is potentially loosing lots of people who
> would
> > >     have liked to contribute, but can't find a way how.
> >
> > the insight is good, so you obvisually went through this and could
> > improve the documentation. That would help the project and you.
>
> I was  thinking the same thing. This seems the perfect contribution.
>
> If the current wiki / articles are not enough, why not make such a
> document?
>
> --emi
>
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>
> On 15 June 2018 9:33 PM, Matthias Bläsing <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Dmitry,
> >
> > Am Freitag, den 15.06.2018, 11:02 -0700 schrieb Dmitry Avtonomov:
> >
> > > Just wanted to point out that:
> > >
> > > 1.  The Netbeans project is potentially loosing lots of people who
> would
> > >
> > >     have liked to contribute, but can't find a way how.
> > >
> >
> > the insight is good, so you obvisually went through this and could
> >
> > improve the documentation. That would help the project and you.
> >
> > Remember: Many current contributors are around for a long time, so they
> >
> > now the places to look and the thinks to do.
> >
> > > 2.  10 minute turnaround time for fix-build-run-test cycle is too much.
> >
> > This will require some one to step up and look through the build where
> >
> > the time is spend. But normally you don't need to rebuild the whole
> >
> > IDE. You build once and if you need to modify a set of modules, you
> >
> > just rebuild these.
> >
> > > 3.  Most importantly I don't know how to start the whole thing in debug
> > >
> > >     mode. Do I need to modify the ant script to make it wait for
> debugger
> > >
> > >     connection?
> > >
> >
> > You can pass java options through the netbeans launcher via
> >
> > "-J<javaarg>". This will run netbeans with debugging enabled:
> >
> > /bin/netbeans
> -J-agentlib:jdwp=transport=dt_socket,suspend=y,server=y,address=9009
> >
> > To run a freshly build netbeans you can invoke:
> >
> > ant -Ddebug.port=9009 tryme
> >
> > This will start the build IDE with a test userdir and it will wait on
> >
> > tcp port 9009 for debugger connections.
> >
> > > 4.  Just people fiddling around in debugger can lead to some fixes and
> > >
> > >     contributions as we're observing system's behavior.
> > >
> >
> > Sure.
> >
> > I hope you stay and improve the situation.
> >
> > Matthias
> >
> >
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