Clusters are pretty good as well because anyone looking in their NetBeans
installation directory will see them reflected there.

Gj

On Sunday, August 19, 2018, Jan Lahoda <[email protected]> wrote:

> My personal opinion: clusters are an organization we already have in place,
> one based on some criteria. There may be some imperfection, but it is hard
> to imagine an organization that would not have any. Choosing another
> organization means someone will need to lead a discussion, pick criteria,
> pick group names, pick modules that belong to individual groups, etc. This
> is likely to lead to a bikeshed. So, unless there's someone (Tim?) who
> wants do that work, using clusters seems to make sense.
>
> I don't foresee too many moves of modules from one cluster to another, and
> if that happens, it is a matter of running "git mv", does not feel like it
> should be too hard to move modules from one cluster to another.
>
> Jan
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 7:08 AM, Tim Boudreau <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > >
> > > Clusters form the  distribution and functional unit of Apache NetBeans.
> > > With
> > > the introduction of ergonomics they are becoming quite visible even for
> > > end
> > > users. In no way I'd dare to call them arbitrary.
> > >
> >
> > Exactly.  They are a unit of binary *packaging*.  Which makes them a
> > strange tool for organizing units of *code*, which might or might not map
> > to the dependency graph within the code.
> >
> > If you are a developer trying to figure out what is what, which seems to
> me
> > to be the actual target audience for any organizational schema for a
> large
> > project, a more useful split might be (off the top of my head, looking
> at a
> > directory listing of my checkout) something like:
> >
> >  - Platform
> >  - Editor
> >  - Editing
> >  - VersionControl
> >  - Projects
> >  - BuildTools
> >  - Languages / Java | Javascript | XML | ...
> >  - Utilities
> >  - LibraryWrappers
> >  - Testing
> >  - Building
> >  - Debugging
> >  - ... maybe another category or two
> >
> > No taxonomy will be perfect - there will always be modules that could
> make
> > some sense in more than one category.  But short of representing the
> > dependency graph as a symlink farm, nothing will be.  The dependency
> graph
> > is reality.  Everything else is an arbitrary layer someone invented to
> make
> > things easier to understand.  So we might as well make it a layer
> designed
> > to be understood by the target audience of code - developers - rather
> than
> > the packaging units that were convenient for end users of the IDE.
> >
> > However that cannot be said about cluster based subdirectories - they
> > > provide
> > > a deterministic structure. The location of sources will actually match
> > > their
> > > final placement in the product. At the end it may actually be easier
> for
> > > developers to find the module they search for.
> > >
> >
> > I was one of the people who pushed hardest for cluster-based
> distributions
> > - the whole "module packs" thing.  It is *an* organization of things, but
> > the contents was more driven by marketing concerns - what modules did we
> > believe users wanted all or none of.  There's nothing deterministic about
> > that - it was decided by a combination of intuition, user research and
> > technical needs, and all but the last are subject to change.
> >
> > -Tim
> >
> > --
> > http://timboudreau.com
> >
>

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