Hi Mark and Rob Mark thanks so much for the info on your work and Rob thanks for jumping in on the UI! I just wanted to add, Mark, that looking at your branch I think we also may have some opportunities to exchange notes or collaborate on the backend as well. The work in the feature branch is still in progress (with some decoupling to ensure we can allow flexible configuration of models). Please feel free to review and leave comments under the parent JIRA. At the same time I'll take a deeper dive on your branch and perhaps we can exchange notes on potential areas for improvement/collaboration if it makes sense?
Thanks Again, -yolanda On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 3:34 PM Robert Fellows <rob.fell...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey Mark, > I've started working on some UI based on the initial commit for this > proposal. What you have done and what I am working on have a bit of > overlap, but not much. > I'm working on getting the predicted count and bytes into the existing > connection metric display that is already on the canvas. The only overlap > looks like it might be in the > Summary table. I plan on adding a PR for my additions hopefully tomorrow. > Maybe once it is up we can discuss how we bring the them together where it > makes sense? > > This is the main JIRA case: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NIFI-6510 > And this is the subtask that I am working toward: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NIFI-6568 > > > -- Rob Fellows > > On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 2:26 PM Owens, Mark <jmow...@evoforge.org> wrote: > > > The images from the preview email do not appear to be displaying. They > can > > be viewed at: > > https://github.com/jmark99/nifi-images > > > > From: Owens, Mark <jmow...@evoforge.org> > > Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 2:25 PM > > To: dev@nifi.apache.org > > Subject: RE: Re:[EXT] [DISCUSS] Predictive Analytics for NiFi Metrics > > > > > > Hi Yolanda, > > > > > > > > I've been working on a feature that appears to possibly overlap with the > > work you are pursuing. Perhaps we should see if/should we try to > coordinate > > our efforts. I've been updating NiFi to predict the time to queue > overflow > > for both flowfiles and bytes and displaying that information in the GUI. > > For the initial attempt, I’ve been using a simple model of straight line > > prediction over a sliding window of 15 minutes to predict when flows will > > fail. This estimate is then displayed on both the NiFi Summary page under > > the connections tab and in the status history graphs. Below are examples > > of what would be displayed to the user. > > > > > > > > [cid:image001.png@01D55696.E4CCD550] > > > > > > > > The Connection tab contains a new column on the right that displays the > > prediction for both flow files and data size. The user can select a > maximum > > time at which specific times are no longer displayed. In this example, if > > the prediction lies beyond 12 hours then the display simply indicates > that > > the flow is greater than 12 hours away from failure at the moment. > > > > > > > > [cid:image002.png@01D55697.2C8AC500] > > > > > > > > This display graphs the prediction for byte overflow over time. Note that > > if the estimate is greater than the user provided maximum value of > interest > > the graph maxes out at that time, effectively indicating no overflow > > concerns. > > > > > > > > [cid:image003.png@01D55697.965C27D0] > > > > > > > > A similar display for flowfile count is displayed as well. > > > > > > > > The current state of work can be found at > > https://github.com/jmark99/nifi/tree/time-to-overflow > > > > > > > > I welcome your (or any others) feedback on this effort. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > Mark > > > > > > > > P.S. If the images are not displaying, they can be viewed at > > https://github.com/jmark99/nifi-images > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Yolanda Davis <yolanda.m.da...@gmail.com<mailto: > > yolanda.m.da...@gmail.com>> > > Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 11:29 AM > > To: dev@nifi.apache.org<mailto:dev@nifi.apache.org> > > Subject: Re:[EXT] [DISCUSS] Predictive Analytics for NiFi Metrics > > > > > > > > Hello All, > > > > > > > > I just wanted to follow up on the discussion we started a couple of weeks > > ago concerning an analytics framework for NiFi metrics. Working with > Andy > > Christianson and Matt Burgess we shaped our ideas and drafted a proposal > > for this feature on the Apache NiFi Wiki [1] . We've also begun > > implementing some of these ideas in a feature branch (which is work in > > > > progress) [2]. We’d appreciate any questions or feedback you may have. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > -yolanda > > > > > > > > [1] - > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NIFI/Operational+Analytics+Framework+for+NiFi > > > > [2] - https://github.com/apache/nifi/commits/analytics-framework > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 9:58 AM Andy Christianson < > aichr...@protonmail.com > > .invalid<mailto:aichr...@protonmail.com.invalid>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > As someone who operated a 24/7 mission-critical NiFi flow, this > > > > > feature would have been a life saver. If I'm heading home on a Friday, > > > > > it would be great to have some blinking red lights to let me know that > > > > > the system predicts that it is going to experience backpressure > > > > > sometime over the weekend, so that corrective action could be taken > > before leaving. > > > > > > > > > > Since there is support in the community for this, I created a JIRA to > > > > > track the effort: > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NIFI-6510 > > > > > > > > > > I also created a JIRA to track the remote protocol: > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NIFI-6511 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email. > > > > > > > > > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ > > > > > On Wednesday, July 31, 2019 6:57 AM, Arpad Boda <ab...@apache.org > > <mailto:ab...@apache.org>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > If you could share a bit more details about your OPC and Modbus > > > > > > usage, > > > > > that > > > > > > would be highly appreciated! > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 12:01 PM Craig Knell craig.kn...@gmail.com > > <mailto:craig.kn...@gmail.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sounds. Great > > > > > > > Let me know if you need some help > > > > > > > Best regards > > > > > > > Craig > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 31 Jul 2019, at 17:31, Arpad Boda ab...@cloudera.com.invalid > > <mailto:ab...@cloudera.com.invalid> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Craig, > > > > > > > > OPC ( https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MINIFICPP-819 ) and > > > > > Modbus ( > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MINIFICPP-897 ) are on the > > > > > way for > > > > > > > > MiNiFi c++, hopefully both will be part of next release (0.7.0). > > > > > > > > It's gonna be legen... wait for it! :) Regards, Arpad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 2:30 AM Craig Knell > > > > > > > > > craig.kn...@gmail.com<mailto:craig.kn...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Folks > > > > > > > > > That's our use case now. All our Models are run in python. > > > > > > > > > Currently we send events to the ML via http, although this is > > > > > > > > > not optimal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Our use case is edge ML where we want a light weight wrapper > > > > > > > > > for Python code base. > > > > > > > > > Jython however does not work with the code base I'm think of > > > > > > > > > changing the interface to some thing like REDIS for > > > > > pub/sub > > > > > > > > > Id also like this to be a push deployment via minifi Also > > > > > > > > > support for sensors via protocols via Modbus and OPC would be > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > Craig > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 1:43 AM Joe Witt joe.w...@gmail.com > > <mailto:joe.w...@gmail.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Definitely something that I think would really help the > > > > > community. It > > > > > > > > > > might make sense to frame/structure these APIs such that an > > > > > internal > > > > > > > > > > option > > > > > > > > > > could be available to reduce dependencies and get up and > > > > > > > > > > running > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also just as easily a remote implementation where the engine > > > > > lives and > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > managed externally could also be supported. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 1:40 PM Andy LoPresto > > > > > alopre...@apache.org<mailto:alopre...@apache.org> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yolanda, > > > > > > > > > > > I think this sounds like a great idea and will be very > > > > > > > > > > > useful > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > admins/users, as well as enabling some interesting > > > > > > > > > > > next-level functionality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and insight generation. Thanks for putting this out there. > > > > > > > > > > > Andy LoPresto > > > > > > > > > > > alopre...@apache.org<mailto:alopre...@apache.org> > > > > > > > > > > > alopresto.apa...@gmail.com<mailto: > alopresto.apa...@gmail.com> > > PGP Fingerprint: 70EC B3E5 98A6 > > > > > > > > > > > 5A3F D3C4 BACE 3C6E F65B 2F7D > > > > > EF69 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 30, 2019, at 5:55 AM, Yolanda Davis < > > > > > > > > > > > > yolanda.m.da...@gmail.com<mailto: > yolanda.m.da...@gmail.com > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Everyone, > > > > > > > > > > > > I wanted to reach out to the community to discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > potentially enhancing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NiFi to include predictive analytics that can help users > > > > > assess and > > > > > > > > > > > > predict > > > > > > > > > > > > NiFi behavior and performance. Currently NiFi has lots > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > metrics > > > > > > > > > > > > available > > > > > > > > > > > > for areas including jvm and flow component usage (via > > > > > component > > > > > > > > > > > > status) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well as provenance data which NiFi makes available > > > > > > > > > > > > either > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > > > the UI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reporting tasks (for consumption by other systems). Past > > > > > discussions > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community cite users shipping this data to applications > > > > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > Prometheus, > > > > > > > > > > > > ELK stacks, or Ambari metrics for further analysis in > > > > > > > > > > > > order > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > capture/review performance issues, detect anomalies, and > > > > > send alerts > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notifications. These systems are efficient in capturing > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > helping > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > analyze these metrics however it requires customization > > > > > > > > > > > > work > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > > > > > > of NiFi operations to provide meaningful analytics > > > > > > > > > > > > within a > > > > > flow > > > > > > > > > > > > context. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In speaking with Matt Burgess and Andy Christianson on > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > topic we > > > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that there is an opportunity to introduce an analytics > > > > > framework that > > > > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > > provide users reasonable predictions on key performance > > > > > indicators > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > flows, such as back pressure and flow rate, to help > > > > > administrators > > > > > > > > > > > > improve > > > > > > > > > > > > operational management of NiFi clusters. This framework > > > > > could offer > > > > > > > > > > > > several key features: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Provide a flexible internal analytics engine and > model > > > > > api which > > > > > > > > > > > > supports the addition of or enhancement to onboard > > > > > > > > > > > > models > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Support integration of remote or cloud based ML > models > > > > > > > > > > > > - Support both traditional and online (incremental) > > > > > learning > > > > > > > > > > > > methods > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Provide support for model caching (perhaps later > > > > > inclusion into > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > model repository or registry) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - UI enhancements to display prediction information > > either > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > existing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > summary data, new data visualizations, or directly > > > > > > > > > > > > within the flow/canvas (where applicable) For an initial > > > > > > > > > > > > target we thought that back pressure > > > > > prediction would > > > > > > > > > > > > be a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good starting point for this initiative, given that back > > > > > pressure > > > > > > > > > > > > detection > > > > > > > > > > > > is a key indicator of flow performance and many of the > > > > > metrics > > > > > > > > > > > > currently > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > available would provide enough data points to create a > > > > > reasonable > > > > > > > > > > > > performing model. We have some ideas on how this could > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > achieved > > > > > > > > > > > > however > > > > > > > > > > > > we wanted to discuss this more with the community to get > > > > > thoughts > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tackling this work, especially if there are specific use > > > > > cases or > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > factors that should be considered. > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking forward to everyone's thoughts and input. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > -yolanda > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > yolanda.m.da...@gmail.com<mailto: > yolanda.m.da...@gmail.com> > > @YolandaMDavis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Craig Knell > > > > > > > > > Mobile: +61 402 128 615 > > > > > > > > > Skype: craigknell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > -- > > > > yolanda.m.da...@gmail.com<mailto:yolanda.m.da...@gmail.com> > > > > @YolandaMDavis > > > > > -- > ------------------------------- > Rob Fellows > -- -- yolanda.m.da...@gmail.com @YolandaMDavis
