Dan,

No real thought behind it.  But I personally agree with your statement:

the logos look good as "nifi" and the text looks good as "NiFi"

Thanks
Joe

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 10:03 PM, Daniel Bress <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Aldrin,
>    I think this looks good.
>
> All,
>    Maybe this is a little off topic, but I noticed that the logos
> consistently use "nifi" whereas in text its consistently written as
> "NiFi".  Any reason for the difference?
>
>    I kind of thing the logos look good as "nifi" and the text looks good
> as "NiFi" so I might be questioning something that I am OK with.  But I
> noticed they are different and was wondering if this was a conscious
> decision or not.  Thoughts?
>
> Dan Bress
> Software Engineer
> ONYX Consulting Services
>
> ________________________________________
> From: Joe Witt <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 6:40 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Website Theme
>
> Solid design and agree with all your comments aldrin.   Very nice
> On Jan 20, 2015 6:27 PM, "Aldrin Piri" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Mark,
> >
> > Thanks for the comments.
> >
> > I actuality tried it without the logo on the main page and it felt a
> > bit empty.  I don't know that we necessarily need the logo there, but
> > something is needed.  Additionally, I viewed it as being just a "front
> > page" inclusion, as other pages would just have the top navbar.
> >
> > You caught me.  I was lazy and I recycled the screenshot from the
> > first iteration.  It would definitely need updating, but is largely
> > just a placeholder for the concept.  I would definitely like something
> > a bit more engaging.  (faux edit) I rearranged things a bit, removing
> > the second instance of the logo and placing more emphasis on the one
> > in the corner of the application.  Not sure if I like it better, but
> > I've provided the results [1] with all three of the submissions shown
> > in chronological order [2].
> >
> > The news section is a toss-up for me at this juncture.  I could see
> > the need one for eventually, but I'm not sure if the project is quite
> > there yet.  It seemed a common thread among incubating sites that such
> > a section was omitted whereas those top-level projects typically
> > included one.  Given that the project is on the verge on the first of
> > the regular releases, perhaps this is increasingly pertinent in the
> > near future.  At minimum, one of the screen grabs from your blog posts
> > would be a good candidate.
> >
> > [1]
> >
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/apiri/apache-nifi-site/screenshots/index.html.lite.v1.1.png
> > [2] https://github.com/apiri/apache-nifi-site/blob/screenshots/README.md
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Mark Payne <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > > Aldrin,
> > > I'm liking it! Definitely looks nice. Though I would provide a bit of
> > feedback:
> > > I'm not sure that I would include the NiFi logo on the right-hand side,
> > since it's already in the top-left.
> > > From a NiFi 'brand' perspective, I would update the screenshot a bit.
> > This screenshot is using the old logo in the top-left corner, and the
> graph
> > shows all of the data disappearing before the RouteOnAttribute Processor.
> > I'd recommend we construct a dataflow that's more appealing to the target
> > audience, perhaps integrating with other Apache projects (HDFS, Kafka are
> > possible, for instance) or using (S)FTP processor.
> > > Does it make sense to have maybe like a 'Latest News' section or
> > something where we could post things like "Version 0.0.1 just released!"
> > etc.?
> > > I'm really liking the concept - nice job!
> > > Thanks-Mark
> > >
> > >> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 07:00:52 -0800
> > >> Subject: Re: Website Theme
> > >> From: [email protected]
> > >> To: [email protected]
> > >>
> > >> I like it.
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 8:50 PM, Aldrin Piri <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > I found some time today to provide another look for the site.  There
> > >> > were very minor changes to the core HTML as is currently served at
> > >> > nidi homepage and it is largely just a stylesheet.  This one is
> highly
> > >> > minimal and clean, still driven by Bootstrap and directly makes use
> of
> > >> > the colors from the UI itself.
> > >> >
> > >> > A screenshot can be seen at
> > >> >
> > >> >
> >
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/apiri/apache-nifi-site/screenshots/index.html.lite.png
> > >> > with the associated code under the "lite" branch at
> > >> > https://github.com/apiri/apache-nifi-site/tree/lite
> > >> >
> > >> > Any thoughts are appreciated.
> > >> >
> > >> > On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 9:54 PM, Aldrin Piri <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> > >> > > Sorry if this somehow gets sent twice.   My first submission
> seemed
> > to
> > >> > > bounce as it exceeded the spam threshold when I sent it a couple
> of
> > >> > > hours ago and it has yet to appear, so I'm sending again.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > First and foremost, good feedback.  I think UI/UX stuff is tricky
> > and
> > >> > > I am happy to find my livelihood in the plumbing and behind the
> > scenes
> > >> > > work.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Here's my attempt to try and tackle all the comments in one fell
> > swoop:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I agree that Bootstrap is everywhere, but I don't necessarily
> think
> > >> > > that is a bad thing.  One could argue that interfaces of all forms
> > are
> > >> > > converging and users have the instant familiarity of a known
> > quantity.
> > >> > > I know that I am totally unaware of what it takes to make a site
> > both
> > >> > > functional and maintain its feel across devices.  I think that
> last
> > >> > > part is important.  Personally, as a user on the other side of the
> > >> > > screen, I don't really understand why sites do not work or jive
> with
> > >> > > my mobile device du jour these days; it should just work.  With
> what
> > >> > > little I've learned about UX and "Not Making [Anyone] Think,"[1] I
> > >> > > want an effortless experience; no pinch zooming, tap panning, etc.
> > If
> > >> > > there is a way to take bits and pieces of bootstrap to this end to
> > >> > > support that aspect without the cookie cutter air, I would be
> quite
> > >> > > thankful for some guidance on that front and do my best to provide
> > it.
> > >> > > Out of the box though, the sample looked pretty decent across all
> > the
> > >> > > devices to which I had access, and used constructs everyone who
> > views
> > >> > > content through a tiny screen is accustomed.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I do agree on the front of the possibility of brand dilution, and
> I
> > >> > > think it is an excellent point for consideration.  As mentioned in
> > my
> > >> > > original mailing, consideration was given to integrating the
> > >> > > application's aesthetics into the core site.  Not sure if this
> will
> > >> > > pan out in an appreciable way as I can see it in my mind, but I do
> > >> > > feel it is an avenue worth exploring.  It may also completely miss
> > the
> > >> > > mark, but with my new found web dev prowess, it should be a much
> > >> > > quicker iteration than the first draft.  You'll see a slight
> homage
> > to
> > >> > > this via the graph wallpaper that is featured in the application
> > >> > > itself.  This was muted a bit by a CSS overlay to a level that
> > seemed
> > >> > > okay, but I definitely hedged as to whether or not to include it.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Ultimately, I wanted to get something out to start the ball
> rolling,
> > >> > > establishing a base for successive iterations.  I know that with
> all
> > >> > > the hard work everyone is putting in, the project is closely
> > reaching
> > >> > > its first milestone for release, and thought it important to chip
> in
> > >> > > where possible to give a face to the project.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Additionally, I think this particular project needs pictures to
> > >> > > demonstrate what it's capabilities.  One of the facets that makes
> > me a
> > >> > > believer about NiFi as a whole is that the end user is not just
> > >> > > developers.  Citing the previous example of Accumulo, its intended
> > >> > > audience is very technical in nature and, accordingly, a lot can
> be
> > >> > > expressed via the simple phrase of "key-value store."  I would
> > contend
> > >> > > that NiFi's reach is far broader and can't be done justice with a
> > >> > > simple phrase.  For the casual potential user who has strung
> > together
> > >> > > n-many processes of taking a file, manually transforming it, and
> > >> > > moving it elsewhere, they need to see at quick glance that there
> is
> > >> > > something that can automate this tedium and make them more
> > effective.
> > >> > > Succinctly, the value proposition needs to be there not only for
> the
> > >> > > technical folks who will use this as a framework, but additionally
> > for
> > >> > > end users.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > The background for the header isn't awesome, but I knew I wasn't
> > >> > > violating any licenses if I generated it myself.  I viewed it more
> > as
> > >> > > a placeholder than anything else.  Definitely not a front end web
> > >> > > developer, even more definitively not a graphic artist.  The
> colors
> > >> > > came from starting with the logo dark blue and running a whole
> bunch
> > >> > > of filters and plugins via GIMP to get something.  Additionally,
> > there
> > >> > > is a CSS gradient applied over top of it as well when it seemed a
> > bit
> > >> > > too loud.  It could definitely deal with being muted a bit more.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > [1] http://www.sensible.com/dmmt.html
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Tony Kurc <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> > >> > >> Hey! It looks awesome! The existing site was put together a
> > placeholder
> > >> > and
> > >> > >> we went with a very generic layout that worked well with Apache
> > CMS and
> > >> > >> contained all the information expected of an apache process.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> This is a big improvement! For people new to the project, it
> gives
> > a
> > >> > nice
> > >> > >> upfront screenshot, with big fat links for things I care about
> > people
> > >> > >> seeing!
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> Some things I didn't like about the existing site are the
> glyphicon
> > >> > links
> > >> > >> to "external" sites on the menu. I used "link", but I think it
> was
> > >> > meant to
> > >> > >> be used for "permalink". Also, we kind of took a best guess about
> > what
> > >> > >> should go in each dropdown in the menu. I'm pretty sure it could
> be
> > >> > better
> > >> > >> organized. I'd also like to see the awesome guides that people
> > wrote
> > >> > have a
> > >> > >> consistent theme with the website and maybe have pdfs so
> old-school
> > >> > folks
> > >> > >> can print them out (which may be a dumb idea ;) ) A pet peeve of
> > mine of
> > >> > >> projects is having a hard time finding the documentation I need,
> > like
> > >> > >> javadocs or specifications - and keeping around the older
> versions
> > of
> > >> > the
> > >> > >> documentation. I think we're still working on these - since you
> > retained
> > >> > >> the menu up top it should be straightforward to have a robust
> > >> > documentation
> > >> > >> dropdown.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> The blue you used is more of a reddish or purplish blue - the
> blue
> > used
> > >> > in
> > >> > >> the app is more of a greenish blue. I'm kind of curious what a
> > greener
> > >> > blue
> > >> > >> would look like ... did you mock one up and it looked bad? Or
> > maybe a
> > >> > more
> > >> > >> fundamental question, should the website evoke the theme of the
> > app? I
> > >> > >> don't know how I feel.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> Tony
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 11:59 AM, Joe Witt <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>> I'd say the two sides of the spectrum as examples are:
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>> http://kafka.apache.org/  [super minimalist]
> > >> > >>> http://aurora.incubator.apache.org/ [ quite fancy looking ]
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>> Both in my opinion are beautifully done and make it easy to get
> > the
> > >> > content
> > >> > >>> needed.
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>> I think these (and others) provide great examples that both
> sides
> > of
> > >> > the
> > >> > >>> spectrum have merit.
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>> What is most important to me is that we as a community rally
> > behind
> > >> > those
> > >> > >>> with the expertise and willingness to contribute in this space.
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>> Thanks
> > >> > >>> Joe
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>> On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Joe Witt <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>> > Both are bootstrap based.  Each is an iterative improvement.
> > And we
> > >> > just
> > >> > >>> > keep iterating as folks have time, willingness, and expertise
> > to do
> > >> > so.
> > >> > >>> >
> > >> > >>> > I agree that this new look does not distinguish a brand.  But
> > we're
> > >> > not
> > >> > >>> > mature enough to worry about that yet.  We just need enough of
> > the
> > >> > right
> > >> > >>> > info laid out enough to help grow a community and get folks
> the
> > info
> > >> > they
> > >> > >>> > need.  We need it laid out in a way that multiple folks can
> > >> > contribute.
> > >> > >>> > Once we have a release, recruit some committers, demonstrate
> > >> > progress on
> > >> > >>> > the Apache Way and grow then perhaps branding becomes a bigger
> > deal.
> > >> > >>> >
> > >> > >>> > ..this motivates me to spawn another thread about the type of
> > >> > community
> > >> > >>> we
> > >> > >>> > want to be...
> > >> > >>> >
> > >> > >>> > Thanks
> > >> > >>> > Joe
> > >> > >>> >
> > >> > >>> >
> > >> > >>> > On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 11:13 AM, Adam Taft <[email protected]
> >
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> > >>> >
> > >> > >>> >> This isn't a downvote -- I think it indeed looks good.  But
> in
> > >> > terms of
> > >> > >>> >> constructive criticism...
> > >> > >>> >>
> > >> > >>> >> I think the mockup looks like a very generic "bootstrap"
> site,
> > >> > similar
> > >> > >>> to
> > >> > >>> >> a
> > >> > >>> >> million other bootstrap based sites.  I'd personally almost
> > prefer
> > >> > the
> > >> > >>> >> existing utilitarian website over a bootstrap theme, simply
> > because
> > >> > it
> > >> > >>> >> doesn't try to be anything more than what it is.
> > >> > >>> >>
> > >> > >>> >> This approach might be an acceptable tradeoff for the
> project;
> > >> > having
> > >> > >>> the
> > >> > >>> >> bootstrap look & feel is obviously a resource savings and
> > available
> > >> > at
> > >> > >>> the
> > >> > >>> >> right price point.  But the site mockup definitely doesn't
> > >> > distinguish
> > >> > >>> the
> > >> > >>> >> Apache NiFi "brand" in anyway. In fact the opposite, the
> brand
> > gets
> > >> > >>> >> watered
> > >> > >>> >> down with this look.
> > >> > >>> >>
> > >> > >>> >> As a funny side note, humorously for me, this was the first
> > thought
> > >> > in
> > >> > >>> my
> > >> > >>> >> head when I saw the site:
> > >> > http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2010-04-01/
> > >> > >>> >>
> > >> > >>> >> Adam
> > >> > >>> >>
> > >> > >>> >>
> > >> > >>> >> On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 7:39 PM, Aldrin Piri <
> > [email protected]>
> > >> > >>> wrote:
> > >> > >>> >>
> > >> > >>> >> > In partial fulfillment of the goals of NIFI-162, I set some
> > time
> > >> > aside
> > >> > >>> >> to
> > >> > >>> >> > put together something a bit more visually appealing as a
> > face
> > >> > for the
> > >> > >>> >> > project.
> > >> > >>> >> >
> > >> > >>> >> > My work can be found at:
> > >> > https://github.com/apiri/apache-nifi-site
> > >> > >>> >> >
> > >> > >>> >> > Currently, work focused around the homepage, but similar
> > styles
> > >> > would
> > >> > >>> be
> > >> > >>> >> > applied to more content driven pages minus the large
> > headlining
> > >> > >>> >> sections.
> > >> > >>> >> >
> > >> > >>> >> > The relevant technology colophon is provided in the README
> on
> > >> > Github
> > >> > >>> >> but is
> > >> > >>> >> > primarily driven by Bootstrap, existing image resources
> > included
> > >> > with
> > >> > >>> >> the
> > >> > >>> >> > project and current site, and other "artwork" which I
> created
> > >> > myself.
> > >> > >>> >> >
> > >> > >>> >> > I am neither a UX expert nor am I a renowned front end
> > designer,
> > >> > so
> > >> > >>> all
> > >> > >>> >> > input is welcome.  As a "version 1.1" I would like to
> adjust
> > the
> > >> > site
> > >> > >>> to
> > >> > >>> >> > converge more with the application.  Ideas for this are
> > inclusive
> > >> > of
> > >> > >>> >> points
> > >> > >>> >> > such as bringing the toolbar styling and color scheme from
> > the
> > >> > >>> >> application
> > >> > >>> >> > to the site.
> > >> > >>> >> >
> > >> > >>> >> > If this seems like a reasonable path forward and there is
> > >> > sufficient
> > >> > >>> >> > support, I can look at the next steps to get this
> integrated
> > with
> > >> > the
> > >> > >>> >> > project, optimization, and integration with the application
> > >> > itself.
> > >> > >>> >> >
> > >> > >>> >> > To aid in showing the intangibles that can't be seen from
> an
> > >> > image, I
> > >> > >>> >> have
> > >> > >>> >> > a copy of this design hosted at
> > >> > http://aldrinpiri.com/apache-nifi/.
> > >> > >>> The
> > >> > >>> >> > links are currently nonfunctional as they were taken from
> the
> > >> > current
> > >> > >>> >> site.
> > >> > >>> >> >
> > >> > >>> >> > Thanks!
> > >> > >>> >> >
> > >> > >>> >> > --Aldrin
> > >> > >>> >> >
> > >> > >>> >>
> > >> > >>> >
> > >> > >>> >
> > >> > >>>
> > >> >
> > >
> >
>

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