I gave several ideas, the parameterized one is probably the least plausible 
because of security considerations.  I'm leaning towards the 
<section-begin/section-end> tagging that would be otherwise inert to an ofbiz 
application.

example:
MySimpleMehtods.xml
<simple-method method-name="myMehtod>
...some logic...
<get-simple-method-section method-name="ofbizMethod" 
location="org/ofbiz/ofbizApp/OfbizServices.xml" section="sectionA">
...some more logic...
</simple-method>

OfbizServices.xml
<simple-method method-name="ofbizMethod">
...some ofbiz logic that I don't want to run in myMethod...
<section-begin>
  <section name="sectionA">
</section-begin>
...some ofbiz logic that I want to run in myMethod...
<section-end>
  <section name="sectionA">
</section-end>
...some more ofbiz logic that I don't want to run in myMethod...
</simple-method>

This would be similar to how <call-simple-method> works except you would be 
pulling a node that is a child of <simple-method> instead of a child node of 
<simple-methods>.  And instead of pulling a node, you're pulling all elements 
between a section-begin and a section-end tag (this would allow for overlapping 
sections as well as being able to keep an iteration open).

I'd really appreciate more comments, especially from the framework committers 
as this only has value if project simple-methods are allowed to be salted with 
<section-begin/section-end> tags.

----- Original Message ----
From: Jonathon -- Improov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:02:09 AM
Subject: Re: simple method subsections

Are you suggesting something like abstract classes in Java, where some
 methods are implemented and 
some are not (blanks to be filled)?

Parameterized simple methods. Sounds interesting.

Some effort is needed to refactor the existing "OFBiz maintained"
 simple methods to publish such 
"hooks" where you can insert your own custom logics.

Because that kind of elegant refactor takes time, it is often easier to
 just hack it and get the 
job done.

Unless we can identify numerous use cases for such elegant mechanisms,
 there's little ROI in doing 
such fanciful stuff.

 > My choices are either to bring he recursion service into my custom
 > application and make the minor modification or to iterate back
 > through the list adding the result of the service and then sorting.

I would just reuse the recursion service "as is", and go through the
 list with some 
after-processing. Maximize reuse, minimize maintenance cost. Project
 time frame is seldom less 
than cruel!

If that ever becomes a performance bottle-neck, I'll then do something
 about it.

Jonathon

Chris Howe wrote:
> Thanks for the reply.  Scope isn't my problem.  My problem is a
 trade-off between code reuse and performance.  Lets say I'm doing one of the
 recursive party relationship services that returns a list of related
 parties, but I also need to run the partyNameForDate service before
 adding it to the list and I need to sort by name before displaying it on
 the screen.  My choices are either to bring he recursion service into my
 custom application and make the minor modification or to iterate back
 through the list adding the result of the service and then sorting. 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Jonathon -- Improov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 9:38:42 PM
> Subject: Re: simple method subsections
> 
> 
> Chris,
> 
> Have a look at a thread I started at 
> http://www.nabble.com/forum/ViewPost.jtp?post=10803536&framed=y . You
>  also responded to that 
> thread too.
> 
> When you say "extend" a simple method, it might be easier to simply
>  think of how you would extend 
> a Java method. We would create a new method that first calls the old
>  method, and then perform some 
> custom actions after that (or the order could be flipped).
> 
> Your suggestion with "selective reuse of parts of a simple method"
>  would mean changing the 
> original method (by inserting <section-begin> <section-end>), to
>  "generic-ize" the original 
> method. Then you might as well not call it "extension", but
>  "customization" or "enhancement" or 
> "refactor" instead.
> 
> In that thread I pointed to, I had implemented a
>  <call-simple-method-scoped> which allows simple 
> methods to call other simple methods *exactly like how Java methods
 can
>  call other Java methods*. 
> Unfortunately, the client I worked for now has exclusive rights to
 that
>  new and convenient 
> artifact. :/
> 
> So what's the problem of having simple methods call other simple
>  methods now, you may ask? Scope 
> is all mixed up into a single bowl of alphabet soup, single
 namespace.
>  For those of us who know 
> Java (or C or VB or just about any programming language at all), we
>  know this isn't conventional, 
> barely "right".
> 
> To offer a solution to your question, I've found that the only way to
>  call other methods in 
> Minilang with proper scope (stored in call stack) is to use the
 Service
>  Engine. Yeah, it means 
> that for every simple method you want to call, wrap them in a service
>  and call the service instead.
> 
> Jonathon
> 
> Chris Howe wrote:
>> I'm looking for some feedback on an idea I'm tossing around
>>
>> Problem: When creating a custom application, often times you will be
>  creating business logic that is exactly like what is in OFBiz but
 needs
>  to be slightly modified before sending it to the entity engine for
>  storage or before creating a result.  (changing the way a price is
>  calculated, adding specialized field information, etc).
>> It would helpful to be able to call the OFBiz maintained method and
>  then extend it through a custom call.
>> A couple ideas on how to accomplish this
>> 1) Add two new element groups, 
>> <section-begin>
>>   <section name="sectionA"/>
>> </section-begin
>> ...some logic...
>> <section-end>
>>   <section name="sectionA"/>
>> </section-end>
>> ...more logic...
>>
>>
>>  and salt the ofbiz method so that you can pull only the logic
>  between the two
>> 2) mimic the screen-widget's decorator pattern
>>
>> 3) add a map of simple-methods to the method's context that allows
>  running extended code
>> extendMethod.myLocation#myMethod
>>
>> and then salt the ofbiz method to call if it exist.
>>
>>
>> TIA for any thoughts
>>
>> ,Chris
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 




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