The theme will still be present in the 10.04 releases. No production servers should rely on trunk.
-Bruno 2011/1/6 BJ Freeman <[email protected]> > I have one that uses the flat grey as default > so if I do an update from the svn the flat grey will and my customization > disappear. > > my sas uses all those in the themes, with my modification. > they will be removed. when the svn update is run. > > those are just a few examples. > > > ========================= > BJ Freeman > Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation < > http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> > Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> > Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist > > Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man > > > Bruno Busco sent the following on 1/6/2011 2:00 PM: > > I am sorry, BJ, I do not see your point. >> >> What could be the issue? >> We will have less themes to maintain in the trunk (just Flat Grey, >> Tomahawk, >> Default and Multiflex). >> We will have more people that will be able to maintain additional themes >> in >> the Themes Gallery. >> >> Production servers will have each one its selected theme (one of the OOTB, >> one of the Themes Gallery or a customized version of them). >> >> -Bruno >> >> 2011/1/6 BJ Freeman<[email protected]> >> >> how about those that are using ofbiz for SAS and will have many themes >>> for >>> their clients. >>> >>> >>> >>> Bruno Busco sent the following on 1/6/2011 12:51 PM: >>> >>> Yes, having more than one theme in the trunk was originally accepted in >>>> >>>> order to use and show the visual theme selection feature OOTB. >>>> Actually Bluelight, Dropping Crumbs and Tomahawk are one the evolution >>>> of >>>> the other. >>>> Each time we decided to create a new theme instead of replacing the one >>>> existing just to avoid problems to users. >>>> >>>> My proposal is to remove Bluelight, Dropping Crumbs and BizznessTime >>>> from >>>> the trunk and put them in a separate themes repository as suggested by >>>> Ryan. >>>> Remove the actual version of the Flat Grey from the trunk and put it in >>>> the >>>> themes repository. >>>> Improve the Flat Grey theme in the trunk with the work you guys are >>>> doing. >>>> >>>> In this way we will have in the trunk two themes for the backend (Actual >>>> FlatGrey and Tomahawk) and two themes for the ecommerce (Default and >>>> Multiflex). >>>> In the themes repository there will be Bluelight, Dropping Crumbs, >>>> BizznessTime and the actual FlatGrey. >>>> It could be a nice start for the theme repository (and gallery) start. >>>> >>>> -Bruno >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2011/1/6 Jacques Le Roux<[email protected]> >>>> >>>> Ryan Foster wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> inline... >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Ryan L. Foster >>>>>> 801.671.0769 >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 6, 2011, at 11:38 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Ryan Foster wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Jacques, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I understand your concerns about support, and your thoughts on the >>>>>>>> themes has some valid points. However, in regards to the >>>>>>>> BizznessTime theme, I never really intended for that to be "my" >>>>>>>> theme >>>>>>>> anyway. I always viewed it as a community theme as that >>>>>>>> was it's original intent and it was truly a collaborative effort to >>>>>>>> build it between myself, my colleagues at HotWax, BrainFood, >>>>>>>> and other members of the the OFBiz community. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Right, sorry for that Ryan. It's only because I know you were one >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> "fathers" (the most important I guess) and helped much >>>>>>> at the beginning, my apologies. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> At any rate, my time issues and focus have shifted significantly >>>>>>> over >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the last few months as I have left HotWax and gone into >>>>>>>> independent consulting and freelance development. I plan on taking >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> much more active role in the community in the months and >>>>>>>> years ahead. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That's really a good, very good news! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As far as theme contributions go, I wonder if maybe it would be a >>>>>>> good >>>>>>> >>>>>>> idea to have a theme repo outside of the trunk that >>>>>>>> individuals could commit to? The problem with theme maintenance >>>>>>>> once >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> new theme has been added to the trunk is that not >>>>>>>> everyone has commit privileges to the trunk. This makes the process >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> maintenance a lot more time consuming for individual >>>>>>>> contributors as they have to rely on patches, updates, >>>>>>>> collaboration, >>>>>>>> etc, rather than just monitoring and maintaining their own >>>>>>>> code. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This could certainly be discussed as themes are no blocking parts >>>>>>> as >>>>>>> long >>>>>>> as *at least one works "perfectly"* (another way is to >>>>>>> become committer), opinions? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think the way that Magento and Wordpress do it are good examples. >>>>>> With >>>>>> Wordpress, there is one "official" theme that is >>>>>> included with the install, but there are literally thousands of themes >>>>>> that are not maintained by Wordpress that they list on >>>>>> there site http://wordpress.org/extend/themes/, and now with the 3.0 >>>>>> release you can even search for new themes and install them >>>>>> automatically from inside your Wordpress install. Doing it this way >>>>>> fosters wider community support by delegating maintenance of >>>>>> these themes to individual contributors rather than forcing it on a >>>>>> handful of committers and also allows developers to monetize >>>>>> there contributions by offering "premium" themes and plugins. In >>>>>> fact, >>>>>> there are many individuals and companies in the Wordpress >>>>>> community that make their living solely by selling themes and plugins. >>>>>> This furthers solidifies the base of support for the >>>>>> project by offering a mid-tier option for someone who wants something >>>>>> more >>>>>> than OOTB but can't necessarily afford custom >>>>>> development. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This makes good sense indeed. The only difference, I guess, is >>>>> unfortunately the width of the audience. This does not mean that we >>>>> should >>>>> not try... >>>>> >>>>> Jacques >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Jacques >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ryan L. Foster >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 801.671.0769 >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jan 6, 2011, at 8:17 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From my perspective, I don't see much chance in the Flat Grey >>>>>>>> visual >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> theme being abandoned. Enough people use it that it will >>>>>>>>> get the attention it needs. If Ryan isn't available to fix >>>>>>>>> something, >>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>> can fix it. If I'm not available, someone else could >>>>>>>>> fix it, etc. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 1/6/2011 6:02 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ryan, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Your screen copies at >>>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-4092 >>>>>>>>>> looks really great! Looking forward for the implementation... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> My concerns are that maybe you will not have enough time later to >>>>>>>>>> keep >>>>>>>>>> up with possible bugs or other issues. Look for instance what >>>>>>>>>> happened >>>>>>>>>> to Bizzness Time https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398 >>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Even if it looks a bit old, we have a theme which works great. Why >>>>>>>>>> taking any risks with it? Also I can't see any issues with having >>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>> themes. The more we have the better, I like to have the choice. >>>>>>>>>> Some >>>>>>>>>> (rare) people prefer to use old things, see games machines or >>>>>>>>>> synthesizers for instance (I still love the DX-7 sound >>>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_DX7 >>>>>>>>>> http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/dx7.php) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There are any evolved version of Flat Grey yet. So this could be >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> 1st >>>>>>>>>> modern one still using the RTL mechanism introduced by Adrian. >>>>>>>>>> Just >>>>>>>>>> choice the name! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ryan Foster wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> IMO I see no reason to have a "Flat Grey Evolution" theme. Adrian >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>> right, the Flat Grey theme hasn't had a visual update in >>>>>>>>>>> years and it looks very dated. It needs some love. Let's not add >>>>>>>>>>> another improved version, let's just improve the version we >>>>>>>>>>> have now. I think that is more efficient and more beneficial in >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> long run. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> As far as the tabs go, we can still keep a horizontal, tab-like >>>>>>>>>>> navigation without actually having the tabs look like tabs. >>>>>>>>>>> Because, the absolutely do look terrible displayed in two rows. >>>>>>>>>>> Adrian, I would be happy to collaborate with you on this. I >>>>>>>>>>> think I have some ideas that could help. Email me directly if you >>>>>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>>>>> to hash out some ideas outside of this mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> discussion. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Consequently, as far as new admin themes go, I guess I can use >>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>> an opportunity as well to drop a teaser about a new theme >>>>>>>>>>> I have been working on already for some time now that I honestly >>>>>>>>>>> hope >>>>>>>>>>> will become the go-to theme for scalability and >>>>>>>>>>> customization, and that will eventually replace the Flat Grey >>>>>>>>>>> theme >>>>>>>>>>> altogether. The new theme scales down very well to 800x600 >>>>>>>>>>> and has minimal styling for maximum flexibility and >>>>>>>>>>> customization. >>>>>>>>>>> Stay tuned for more details in the next few days... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ryan L. Foster >>>>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769 >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look like >>>>>>>>>>> pieces >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they are >>>>>>>>>>>> displayed in two rows. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux< >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> By "chiclet" main navigation style, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat Grey as >>>>>>>>>>>>> it is (because there are advantages >>>>>>>>>>>>> to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Adrian Crum"<[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache logo >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get rid of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the "chiclet" >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> collapsible left column. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Sascha Rodekamp<[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected], >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Jacques Le Roux"<[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I really would appreciate to keep the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few visual improvements. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my mind >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ..... :-) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/12/29 Jacques Le Roux<[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES to keep >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of course. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have no ideas though :/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Adrian Crum"<[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The current version of the theme is based on the original >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> look >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and feel of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in 2004. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Around >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Spring of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the original style >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> little more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interesting. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After that, the visual theme was converted to a floating >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flexible layout >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (to fit any size screen), it was made >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sight-impaired accessible (font size >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be changed), and it added support for bi-directional >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> layout >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (for rtl >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> languages). Those design decisions were made by the OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community and, in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fallback >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theme when all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else fails. It just works. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would like to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> update >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it to make >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it more modern, but maintain its advantages over the other >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> themes. I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> templates and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> javascripts would be maintained. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If anyone is interested, they are welcome to help out. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appreciate any suggestions or comments. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me know what you think. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sascha Rodekamp >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lynx-Consulting GmbH >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Johanniskirchplatz 6 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> D-33615 Bielefeld >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.lynx.de >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >
