Hi -

I think that the goals towards graduation section should be re-ordered.

> Three most important issues to address in the move towards graduation:
> 
>   1. Make the second release which addresses most of the Jira Issues
>      opened since the last release
> 
>   2. Work on documentation
> 
>   3. Grow community
> 

IMHO - The order should be:

1. Grow community.
2. Make a second release.
3. Work on documentation.

If the community feels that the second release and documentation will increase 
the chances for growing the community then these are sub-goals. The first 
podling release already satisfies the Apache release requirement.

Does this make sense?

Having Francesco joining is already a very good sign of growth!

Regards,
Dave

On Dec 30, 2013, at 7:27 AM, Huesken, Jens wrote:

> Hi Francesco,
> I like your proposal to send a draft version to dev@ before finally 
> submitting it to the wiki.
> 
> @all:
> On open point I see is that we should discuss who feels responsible for doing 
> the reports in future. WDYT?
> 
> Regards,
> Jens.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Francesco Chicchiriccò [mailto:[email protected]] 
> Sent: Montag, 30. Dezember 2013 14:44
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [OLINGO] RE: January 2014 Incubator report timeline
> 
> On 30/12/2013 14:31, Huesken, Jens wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> since the last three reports for Olingo were done in the same way I assumed 
>> that writing the report and informing the mailing list is ok for everyone.
>> The deadline for the report is January 1st, so I propose that everyone who 
>> has feedback for the report speaks up before the deadline.
>> If there is no feedback I assume that everyone is ok with the report (lazy 
>> consensus).
> 
> Lazy consensus is generally fine for some aspects, but in case of a 
> podling that will eventually show it is "ASF-mature" enough for 
> graduation, I would encourage as much discussion as possible.
> 
> Anyway, I would say that the report you've submitted is just fine and 
> that we can think to action starting from next report.
> 
>> @Francesco: Thanks for pointing this out. Any proposal how we should do that 
>> for future reports? How do other projects deal with that? Maybe you have 
>> some more experience?
> 
> In Cocoon and Syncope (especially the latter that have gone through 
> incubation in 2012, so recently enough) usually someone from PMC - which 
> is most of time the PMC chair - prepares a draft report and send it via 
> e-mail with a subject line like as "[DRAFT] Report Apache XXX January 
> 2014", leaving some time (usual 72 hours are fine) open for discussion.
> If no one objects, the report is then submitted.
> Naturally, discussion can actually modify the text of the report being sent.
> 
> Holding such discussion at dev@ will help matching requirements 
> expressed by [1] and finally speed up the incubation process.
> 
> HTH
> Regards.
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Francesco Chicchiriccò [mailto:[email protected]]
>> Sent: Montag, 30. Dezember 2013 11:26
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: [OLINGO] RE: January 2014 Incubator report timeline
>> 
>> On 30/12/2013 11:21, Huesken, Jens wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> the report for Apache Olingo is ready and can be accessed via the wiki.
>>> 
>>> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/January2014
>> Hi all,
>> aren't we supposed to discuss and approve the report before (see [1])?
>> 
>> Regards.
>> 
>> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html#Incubator+ASF+Board+Reports
> 
> -- 
> Francesco Chicchiriccò
> 
> Tirasa - Open Source Excellence
> http://www.tirasa.net/
> 
> ASF Member, Apache Syncope PMC chair, Apache Cocoon PMC Member
> http://people.apache.org/~ilgrosso/
> 

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