Hi... On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <[email protected]>wrote:
> you look openejb build -> you are notified when you break tomee. > Sorry to work like a police here :D, but I think we are getting of the topic now and drifter over to code re-org which I think it would be better to move to another thread and discuss it there thoroughly. So back to the IRC channels, I think people always look this information up from the web and hence we already have this information on out web-site with which we can direct users to that our IRC channel is #openejb for both openejb abd TomEE and also we can add that to the channel header/welcome message so it is also obvious to users when they join the channel > > - Romain > > > 2012/4/18 Jean-Louis MONTEIRO <[email protected]> > > > AFAIR, most of builds are in Jenckins, so we are free to fire a build > each > > time openjpa, openwebbeans, .... is built. Right ? > > > > Regarding that issue, what does the current situation brings? > > > > Jean-Louis > > > > > > Le 18 avril 2012 12:00, Romain Manni-Bucau <[email protected]> a > > écrit : > > > > > No, buildbot does it too. > > > > > > The issue is not techinical but human. Does openwebbeans users look > tomee > > > snapshot? mainly no beacuse that's not their build. That's the issue. > > > > > > Well i'm not opposed to separate both since i follow both, just i > wanted > > > you to note braking a consistent project in several subproject can lead > > to > > > some weird builds. > > > > > > Note: we could do subproject for arquillian, maven and utilities too. > > > > > > - Romain > > > > > > > > > 2012/4/18 Jean-Louis MONTEIRO <[email protected]> > > > > > > > Romain, > > > > > > > > I guess we now have a jenckins project for OpenEJB. > > > > > > > > Isn't it a good way to manage dependencies between builds? > > > > That could solve the issue you mentioned? > > > > > > > > JLouis > > > > > > > > > > > > Le 18 avril 2012 11:42, Mohammad Nour El-Din < > [email protected]> > > a > > > > écrit : > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > it is not a technical issue, > > > > > > > > > > > > if there are 2 trunks there are 2 CI builds and we always have to > > > watch > > > > > > both. That's the issue IMO. Typically an openejb dev who don't > care > > > > about > > > > > > tomee can break tomee easily if we separate both. Today buildbot > > will > > > > > shoot > > > > > > after him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Build bot can still shoot after him/her when TomEE is built with > the > > > > latest > > > > > OpenEJB code, but as you said this is not the main issue here > > > > > > > > > > So we should make up our minds :), do we need a [VOTE] ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Romain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2012/4/18 Mohammad Nour El-Din <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau > > > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no but there are integration issues (lib conflicts, how is it > > > > > > integrated > > > > > > > > etc) which are different. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One drawback of keeping tomee in openejb is the size of the > > > build. > > > > > One > > > > > > > pro > > > > > > > > is the buil dis consistent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, now I get it, but in that regard we can do like what > > Jackrabbit > > > > > did, > > > > > > so > > > > > > > mainly you have a repo like this: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <REPO_ROOT> > > > > > > > /trunk > > > > > > > /tags > > > > > > > /branches > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what they did for Oak, which is a new approach for Jackrabbit > and > > > > > hence a > > > > > > > new project, they created a sub repos, like this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <REPO_ROOT> > > > > > > > /trunk > > > > > > > /tags > > > > > > > /branches > > > > > > > /oak > > > > > > > ../trunk > > > > > > > ../tags > > > > > > > ../branches > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In that regard we can manage each of OpenEJB and TomEE > > separately, > > > > > > thoughts > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Romain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2012/4/18 Mohammad Nour El-Din <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Jean-Louis MONTEIRO < > > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess in a ideal world, that'd be better to have Apache > > > TomEE > > > > > > has a > > > > > > > > Top > > > > > > > > > > Project in Apache. > > > > > > > > > > But it also has side effects and negative points > > > (dependencies > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > releasing ...). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there a lot of differences between OpenEJB > > > > (Embdeded/Standalone) > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > TomEE ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JLouis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Le 18 avril 2012 10:14, Romain Manni-Bucau < > > > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > écrit : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same idea: > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENEJBwhy > > > > > is > > > > > > > > tomee > > > > > > > > > > > everywhere (name of the page, title...)? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Romain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2012/4/18 Jean-Louis MONTEIRO <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +1 with Mohammad and Romain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JLouis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Le 18 avril 2012 01:25, Mohammad Nour El-Din < > > > > > > > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > écrit : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 1:05 AM, David Blevins < > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Was just in reference to which IRC channel to > use, > > > > #tomee > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > #openejb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know :), the question was more for building a > case > > > of a > > > > > > > > statement > > > > > > > > > > :). > > > > > > > > > > > > For > > > > > > > > > > > > > me I am in favor of OpenEJB cause thats the origin > > and > > > > who > > > > > > > knows > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > future, more specifically with the cloud addition > to > > > JEE > > > > 7 > > > > > we > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > come > > > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > > > with another packaging and give it another name but > > > still > > > > > it > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > OpenEJB. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 17, 2012, at 3:51 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are we talking about project names or users > > > > interests. > > > > > > > Cause > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > place they go to openejb.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe OpenEJB should be the main name, > TomEE > > is > > > > > just > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > name > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OpenEJB packaging which implements the > > WebProfile, > > > so > > > > > it > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OpenEJB. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thats my 2 cents. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 11:25 PM, Romain > > > Manni-Bucau > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Tomee and openejb redirecting to > tomee-openejb? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I know eveybody likes tomee but openejb > shouldnt > > > be > > > > > > > > forgotten > > > > > > > > > > IMO. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> - Romain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Le 17 avr. 2012 22:54, "Karan Malhi" < > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > écrit > > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Currently on irc if somebody wants to join > > > #tomee, > > > > > they > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > redirected > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> #openejb. Personally, I'd prefer the reverse > > i.e. > > > > > > #tomee > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> primary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> IRC channel. So if somebody joins #openejb > they > > > get > > > > > > > > > redirected > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #tomee. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> It also gives us the opportunity to have a > nice > > > > > welcome > > > > > > > > > message > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > folks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> like "Welcome to TomEE - A pure Tomcat based > > Java > > > > EE > > > > > 6 > > > > > > > web > > > > > > > > > > > profile > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> certified server". Just another little thing > to > > > > help > > > > > > > spread > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > word. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> What does everybody else think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Karan Singh Malhi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> twitter.com/KaranSinghMalhi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Mohammad Nour > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your > > > balance > > > > > you > > > > > > > must > > > > > > > > > > keep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Albert Einstein > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Mohammad Nour > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your > balance > > > you > > > > > must > > > > > > > > keep > > > > > > > > > > > > moving" > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Albert Einstein > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > - Mohammad Nour > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you > must > > > > keep > > > > > > > > moving" > > > > > > > > > - Albert Einstein > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > - Mohammad Nour > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must > > keep > > > > > > moving" > > > > > > > - Albert Einstein > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Thanks > > > > > - Mohammad Nour > > > > > ---- > > > > > "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep > > > > moving" > > > > > - Albert Einstein > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Thanks - Mohammad Nour ---- "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving" - Albert Einstein
