On 2013/01/19 00:24, Donald Whytock said:
> FWIW, my company for the longest time firewall-blocked anything of the
> form *.openoffice.org ("Freeware/shareware"). This despite the fact
> that I could reach Sourceforge, *.apache.org, etc., and despite the
> fact that we use pieces of OO.
>
> So my personal preference would be to at least keep a means of
> reaching the forum and wiki via apache.org. Perhaps I'm the only one
> with this issue, or perhaps it's relatively rare, but still my take is
> that more options is better.
You may try ooo-wiki.apache.org and ooo-forums.apache.org instead.
These two host names are not redirected to wiki.openoffice.org and
forums.openoffice.org.
>
> Don
>
> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 10:42 AM, imacat <ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw> wrote:
>> Considering forums.openoffice.org altogether, I would vote for
>> wiki.openoffice.org instead of wiki.openoffice.apache.org.
>>
>> 1. The existing community is built on this current host name. It would
>> only confuse the community to change it. This is especially true that
>> we have changed it just recently.
>>
>> 2. It causes trouble to forward discussion thread URLs, pages when the
>> host name is long.
>>
>> On 2013/01/15 06:12, Rob Weir said:
>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 5:10 PM, janI <j...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> On Jan 14, 2013 10:52 PM, "Rob Weir" <robw...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 3:09 PM, janI <j...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I want to inform the community about an ongoing discussion in Infra
>>>>>> regarding the use of "wiki.openoffice.org" or "
>>>> wiki.openoffice.apache.org"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Background: We decided sometime ago to let me upgrade mwiki, which I
>>>> did,
>>>>>> with great help from many in here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After that there has been a relatively high load on the VM (very
>>>> positive)
>>>>>> and bi-daily kernel panics due to lack of resources.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It was then decided to make a new VM with a new ubuntu, instead of an
>>>>>> upgrade in place (to get rid of the kernel panic) which I deemed risky
>>>> due
>>>>>> to the state (and documentation) of the installation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have completed the work with the new VM, and we were ready to transfer
>>>>>> the live site.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At that point I learned about plans of using https instead of http.
>>>>>> Infra-root has a policy that all logins (not only for committers)
>>>> should be
>>>>>> done through https.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Using https, requires a certificate, and the ongoing discussion is
>>>> whether
>>>>>> "*.openoffice.org" is really needed or if "*.openoffice.apache.org"
>>>> would
>>>>>> be ok.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I have understood the details correctly (sorry for being vague, but I
>>>>>> have not been able to get a clear answer), the users would address
>>>> https:
>>>>>> wiki.openoffice.org or http:wiki.openoffice.org and get a response as
>>>> https:
>>>>>> ooo-wiki.openoffice.org or https:ooo-wiki.openoffice.apache.org.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> IMHO renaming goes in the wrong direction. I think we should be
>>>>> looking to get the entire website on to one domain, either all on
>>>>> openoffice.org or all on openoffice.apache.org. Splitting things up
>>>>> is confusing for users, makes extra work for us (and for Infra),
>>>>> confuses the hell out of Google Analytics.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd really like to see everything under one domain, including our blog
>>>>> and even CWiki (or migrate CWiki over to MWiki).
>>>>>
>>>>> That's my ideal. Is it impossible?
>>>> it is highly possible.
>>>>
>>>> I thought converting cwiki was taken off the table. we discussed it earlier
>>>> and said it should be after the upgrade. since then no one on the mwiki
>>>> side have volunteered.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry, I didn't mean to convert or migrate now, as part of the present
>>> set of activities. I meant longer term it would be good to get under
>>> a single domain.
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have written/mailed several times that openoffice.org is a legacy,
>>>> very
>>>>>> important to AOO, and hope it has been understood. The latest discussion
>>>>>> seems to go in the direction of getting a certificate for openoffice.org
>>>> ,
>>>>>> but there are no guarantees.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Is the issue cost? We could do a mini-fundraising plea on our
>>>>> homepage. I bet we could raise the necessary funds for the
>>>>> certificate.
>>>>>
>>>>> Note: If I understand the security concern with the login, aren't we
>>>>> in the same issue with the phpBB forums? Would a single cert be able
>>>>> to cover that as well? Or do we need one cert per subdomain?
>>>>
>>>> for some reason there seems to be resistence against wildcard cert, even
>>>> though apache.org is a wildcard.
>>>>
>>>> latest news is that the https discussion has been postponed, so we at least
>>>> can get a stable server.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> -Rob
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have informed infra, that I cannot participate in works that causes a
>>>> url
>>>>>> name change, without having a green light from the AOO community.
>>>> Meaning
>>>>>> that I am now just monitoring what happens and not participating.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am sorry to have partly caused the current situation, I wanted to
>>>> make a
>>>>>> clean installation to make the VM easier to maintain, had I not done
>>>> that,
>>>>>> the https discussion would problaly never have surfaced.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have no deadline for the change, mainly because it is done by others,
>>>> but
>>>>>> I am convinced that Infra will end with a solution that the community
>>>> can
>>>>>> accept.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please take this as information, I cannot go into a discussion on
>>>> behalf of
>>>>>> Infra (I am not infra, but we do have other committers that are infra).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rgds
>>>>>> jan I.
>>
>>
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